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Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370448/31376/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:16, 2nd January 2026
 
Very interesting

Taplow to Paddington shows a 54.2% drop and (perhaps a better representation!) Maidenhead to Paddington a 36.6% drop - I think that'd almost certainly be due to increased WFH in the Thames Valley.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370447/31359/18]
Posted by Mark A at 14:09, 2nd January 2026
 
Yes, near-midnight Yorkshire taxi person on a railway contract working on a dirty night took me to the door rather than to the... awkwardly situated station some distance from the village.

Mark

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370446/31359/18]
Posted by matth1j at 13:59, 2nd January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Is that a taxi dropping its sole occupant down at the station rather than at their preferred destination?
They are averse to letting you off early
On the Chippenham-Melksham route they've been kind enough to drop me off at the bottom of Westlands Lane a couple of times (home is in Whitley). Once I was the only passenger so it potentially saved them about 2 x 1.5-2 miles of driving, but there was a couple of us on the most recent occasion.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370444/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 13:28, 2nd January 2026
 
Is that a taxi dropping its sole occupant down at the station rather than at their preferred destination?

Errr......your ticket is to the *station* - not your 'preferred destination'. Taxi drivers are usually required to meter to the station & won't be paid any additional mileage incurred - so don't be surprised if your taxi will only go to the station. This is definitely the case when carrying more than 1 passenger - each passenger can not insist that they are dropped at their 'preferred destination' - but at the station concerned.

I would agree with that.  And in this case he had to do a drop off and perhaps a pick up too.   They are averse to letting you off early - "you're driving past the end of my street - can I get off here?" either - but then so are buses, and have you ever asked a train not due to call at Dilton Marsh to make a stop there, even if the local train that should call is cancelled?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370443/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 13:25, 2nd January 2026
 
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:16

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Travelling to see an old train - why not travel there on a current train?
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [370442/31125/47]
Posted by rogerw at 12:47, 2nd January 2026
 
Competition between Birmingham and Exeter so that there's a fares setter alternative to Crosscountry?

Mark

Split ticket at Cheltenham can save a significant sum

Re: Travelling to see an old train - why not travel there on a current train?
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [370440/31125/47]
Posted by broadgage at 12:25, 2nd January 2026
 
Because the train service is provided by IETs.
Often shorter, and no reservations when short formed.
No buffet. Uncomfortable seating.

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370439/31376/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:59, 2nd January 2026
 
Indeed, me too - and it's one ticket 'type' yet to be offered within other ticket apps/planners that have split ticket functionality.

Re: Out with a Wales Explorer ticket 2/1/26
In "Introductions and chat" [370438/31377/1]
Posted by Mark A at 11:48, 2nd January 2026
 
I thought rovers/rangers with multi-day validity - when printed on 'ordinary' stock - come with a second coupon that had 31 day boxes printed on it, and you completed each day by filling in the box? the mag strip didn't function in the barriers & you had to produce both coupons to staff in order to proceed?

I suspect you're right. But every member of staff I've encountered so far has seemed somewhat unfamiliar with the ticket. As this is the day of it's issue its validity is explicit, but I'll follow this up for the ensuing days.

Mark

Re: New Years honours - 2026 - "railway" people
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370437/31350/2]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:45, 2nd January 2026
 
He was given the CBE two years ago - and there's apparently an unwritten rule that no one can get more than one or 'promoted' within three years - so he is again eligible in a year's time. He'll get a knighthood then, I'm sure.

Re: New Years honours - 2026 - "railway" people
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370436/31350/2]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:42, 2nd January 2026
 
The omission of Kevin Sinfield comes to mind......

Re: Out with a Wales Explorer ticket 2/1/26
In "Introductions and chat" [370435/31377/1]
Posted by Mark A at 11:42, 2nd January 2026
 
Now on the T1 bus from Carmarthen, which as it turns out is electric.

I'm attempting to journal all this on this Bluesky thread. (A few photos there include blue sky too...)

Mark

https://bsky.app/profile/markannand.bsky.social/post/3mbgdkul46k25

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370433/31376/51]
Posted by grahame at 11:32, 2nd January 2026
Already liked by PhilWakely
 
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.

Significantly! As is station footfall sadly! Whilst my local community (can't call it a village any more) of Pinhoe has grown significantly with development over the recent past, the station is a popular split for long distance tickets. The increase in station usage shown in various statistics cannot be just folk genuinely starting and ending their journeys there.

It is - always - worth a quick thought on splitting when analysing figures - and indeed over / under runs too.  Historically,  a lot of people bought "Melksham Specials" with no intent of travelling to, from or through Melksham and I know a host of examples where it's better to buy a longer distance ticket.

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370432/31376/51]
Posted by grahame at 11:25, 2nd January 2026
Already liked by PhilWakely
 
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.

Several years ago, and ORR estimates for individual stations had added an adjustment to account for split ticketing.  And the station by station flow data (ODM) adds up to the numbers in the ORR estimated and thus it follows that the adjustment applies there too.

Split ticketing is where a passenger completes a single journey using two or more
tickets. Total entries and exits at some individual stations will be significantly over
estimated due to some passengers not boarding or alighting at the split point and
instead staying on the train.

From April 2022 to March 2023 year we have introduced an adjustment to account
for split ticketing in the LENNON data. Rail Delivery Group have developed an
algorithm to detect split tickets, and we have incorporated this into our data
processing. Therefore, in the latest year (April 2022 to March 2023) we only count an
entry and exit at the start of the journey and end of the journey, whereas previously
an entry and exit would have been recorded at each split point along the way.

Also of note

Ranger/Rover infills (“Other”) – Rover and Ranger products, e.g. Ride Cornwall,
Cambrian Coaster, Anglia Plus, are tickets with non-geographic destinations so
estimates are developed to represent passenger flows on a selected number of
these tickets;

and for Devoners

The ‘Digby and Sowton’ adjustment (“D&S”) – relates to journeys associated
with a season ticket product for students which are being made to Exeter
Central and Exeter St. David’s on tickets with a recorded destination of Digby
and Sowton. Adjustment uses data provided by Great Western Railway;


And there are some more - some interesting clues in some cases into innovative ticketing.

Re: Harwell laser event
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [370431/31375/31]
Posted by ray951 at 11:20, 2nd January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Depending on the cloud ceiling, you may be in sight of this. (Harwell's shining a laser vertically, though fortunately/unfortunately not their biggest and brightest. Not visible from here at a distance of ~47 miles and a not quite low eastern horizon...)

Mark

https://www.harwellcampus.com/harwell-campus-celebrates-turning-80/

**edit** The tech involved: https://www.horizonlasers.co.uk/titan-architectural-laser/

Not surprisingly we could see this in Didcot last night, it wasn't the most exciting light show.

If you get a chance I would recommend visiting Diamond Light Source at Harwell to see what happens there. I would also recommend a visit to the JET (Joint European Torus) Fusion reactor at Culham before it is dismantled.

Re: New Years honours - 2026 - "railway" people
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370430/31350/2]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:19, 2nd January 2026
 
Serena Wiegman for a start....

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370429/31376/51]
Posted by PhilWakely at 11:19, 2nd January 2026
 
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.

Significantly! As is station footfall sadly! Whilst my local community (can't call it a village any more) of Pinhoe has grown significantly with development over the recent past, the station is a popular split for long distance tickets. The increase in station usage shown in various statistics cannot be just folk genuinely starting and ending their journeys there.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370428/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:16, 2nd January 2026
 
Is that a taxi dropping its sole occupant down at the station rather than at their preferred destination?

Errr......your ticket is to the *station* - not your 'preferred destination'. Taxi drivers are usually required to meter to the station & won't be paid any additional mileage incurred - so don't be surprised if your taxi will only go to the station. This is definitely the case when carrying more than 1 passenger - each passenger can not insist that they are dropped at their 'preferred destination' - but at the station concerned.

Re: New Years honours - 2026 - "railway" people
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370427/31350/2]
Posted by grahame at 11:12, 2nd January 2026
 
Doing a few quick sums, I would suggest that there will be about 30,000 honours holders at any one time (base on numbers here) and that they typically come to more mature people so life expectancy at time of award might be 15 years.    So that's 1 in 2000 of us has an honour.  That looks about right when we look around at member here and contacts, and I take my hat of in respect to those I have the privilege to know. And that includes people who are or have been remunerated for the role played. 

I'm not writing totally "sweetness and light" for the system. There are, I also know, others who would from what I know of them be deserving of a "gong" but haven't been nominated, or if they have turned down / filtered out / declined.  And I do not know - for example - any of ChrisB's suggested athletes for whom the criteria for selection may involve general public perception.

Re: Out with a Wales Explorer ticket 2/1/26
In "Introductions and chat" [370426/31377/1]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:47, 2nd January 2026
 
I thought rovers/rangers with multi-day validity - when printed on 'ordinary' stock - come with a second coupon that had 31 day boxes printed on it, and you completed each day by filling in the box? the mag strip didn't function in the barriers & you had to produce both coupons to staff in order to proceed?

Re: Five major changes planned for Bristol in 2026
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [370425/31372/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:47, 2nd January 2026
 
I'd agree with Noggin's daughter's analysis.

We need to be clear that private vehicles would not be banned from Park Street by this scheme. Park Street and all its side roads would all be accessible to private cars. Only through traffic would be banned, diverted via Anchor Rd. Here's the map:



Many small retailers believe that cars passing their shop are good for business, and that having heavy traffic outside encourages people walking by to linger or even go in and buy something. Are they right? Or would removing through traffic make this a more attractive place, increasing footfall and bringing more business?

Re: Five major changes planned for Bristol in 2026
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [370424/31372/21]
Posted by Noggin at 09:59, 2nd January 2026
 
Daughter takes the bus along Park Street most days and reckons there's rarely congestion due to private cars - it's mainly the Anchor Road junction at the bottom which backs up.

Also, vehicle access still needs to be provided to Charlotte & Great George Streets where there is considerable residential and office property - Hill Street is not safe for any significant volumes of traffic.

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370423/31376/51]
Posted by Noggin at 09:48, 2nd January 2026
 
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [370422/26929/52]
Posted by Electric train at 09:38, 2nd January 2026
 
Agreed - that was my reaction, too, when I saw that image. 

To all the 'armchair critics' - it's seriously broken wiring, somewhere down there along a 22 mile railway tunnel, with an understandably broken down train in the way.

That will take some time to fix: it's not as simple as, 'Oh, just push the plug back into the 13amp socket where Aunty Maud has trodden on the flex.'



There may have been more than 1 stranded train, the headways through the tunnel means at least one other train will have lost power other than the one entangled in the OLE

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370421/31376/51]
Posted by Electric train at 09:33, 2nd January 2026
 
From another thread, a site that displays point to point passenger numbers.

The figures for Worcester Shrub Hill to Oxford are wild - a bit of a rollercoaster. But there will probably be other curious examples elsewhere.

https://trainslive.uk/odm/journey.php?origin=WOS&destination=OXF

Mark

It does not surprise that its been a rollercoaster of the last 3 or 4 years, the pandemic certainly accelerated things like "working from home" and "cashless society" I suspect it will take 3 or 4 more years, maybe longer for the actual trends to "normalise".  In a decade or so time the recovery patterns and trends will be a lot clear to understand

Re: Out with a Wales Explorer ticket 2/1/26
In "Introductions and chat" [370420/31377/1]
Posted by grahame at 08:58, 2nd January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
The ticketing: a Wales explorer, on the trains, has a 4 in 8 day validity, and this one is printed on the ordinary stock, has no machine readable code, so it isn't immediately apparent as to how it will record which days I've used it.

Enjoy!

The magnetic stripe will have a ticket ID on it, and when you scan the barriers at Llanshamlet, Llanwrtyd, Llwyngwril or Llanfairechan it will send a message to TfW HQ that the ticket was used on that day.  So if you try to get onto the platform at Tygwyn for a fifth day, the barrier will bleep.

Re: Christmas and New Year holidays 2025/26 on the Coffee Shop
In "News, Help and Assistance" [370419/31311/29]
Posted by grahame at 08:53, 2nd January 2026
 
My thoughts are ... that I'm very happy with the way things are continuing to evolve, here on the Coffee Shop forum.

Thank you, grahame.

Happy New Year, folks.    You will see even fewer changes than I may have hinted at and I'm really following up just to let you know I have not been idle.    The big talk is AI these day. 

As a provider of unique and excellent content, we have always been "targets" for search engine spiders.  Some of those we encourage but others just eat our bandwidth for no discernible gain - for example, love to be Google indexed but pointless being on Yandex results.   But search engines look like they have just been the starter to the AI indexer main course, where everyone and his uncle who want to be big in AI are collecting data with a fine tooth comb.    I have updated some of my own tools so that can more quickly identify new AI bots, and set myself up a couple of tools which give me ore options in rejecting/accepting/guiding/encouraging them.  Occasional bit hits on the server will still happen - we got 1500 requests in a minute at 5 p.m. yesterday - but identification, action if appropriate, and recovery is now easier for me - which will give me more time for other coding work.

As a user of AI - there are libraries available, and it could be that our searches could be improved. There is *some* intelligence in there already, but providing more might lead to issues of resources on our server, or us buying in to other resources and whilst I will keep listening and keep this under review, we don't yet - nor in the months coming - have a box into which you can type a public transport related question in English and expect a good Coffee Shop result. You will note I have not said "never"

 
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