| Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:52, 15th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Next round of dates announced by ASLEF. These will be the first that adhere to the Minimum Service Level legislation recently introduced:
Strikes & Non-compulsory overtime ban dates
Avanti West Coast
Strike day: Saturday 3 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6 February.
C2C
Strike day: Friday 2 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Chiltern Railways
Strike day: Monday 5 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
CrossCountry
Strike day: Monday 5 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
East Midlands Railway
Strike day: Saturday 3 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Great Western Railway
Strike day: Monday 5 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Greater Anglia
Strike day: Friday 2 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
GTR Great Northern Thameslink
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Island Line
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
LNER
Strike day: Friday 2 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Northern Trains
Strike day: Wednesday 31 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
South Western Railway Depot Drivers
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
South Western Railway Mainline
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Southeastern
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Southern/Gatwick Express
Strike day: Tuesday 30 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
Transpennine Trains
Strike day: Wednesday 31 January 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
West Midlands Trains
Strike day: Saturday 3 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until23:59 Tuesday 6 February.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 12:55, 15th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Next round of dates announced by ASLEF.
[snip]
Great Western Railway
Strike day: Monday 5 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
[snip]
Great Western Railway
Strike day: Monday 5 February 00:01 - 23:59.
No non-compulsory overtime from 00:01 Monday 29 January until 23:59 Tuesday 6February.
I fear I should add "2024" to the subject line. Is "2025" being too pessimistic?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 16:14, 15th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
These will be the first that adhere to the Minimum Service Level legislation recently introduced
Early days but it appears some TOCs aren’t planning on using that MSL’s. Some are already stating there will be no service.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 09:27, 19th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
These will be the first that adhere to the Minimum Service Level legislation recently introduced
Early days but it appears some TOCs aren’t planning on using that MSL’s. Some are already stating there will be no service.
LNER *are* planning to use it - and as a result (as I'm reading it), ASLEF are stepping or considering stepping up their LNER strike. From the BBC
LNER train drivers to strike for five more days
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 12:50, 19th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
These will be the first that adhere to the Minimum Service Level legislation recently introduced
Early days but it appears some TOCs aren’t planning on using that MSL’s. Some are already stating there will be no service.
LNER *are* planning to use it - and as a result (as I'm reading it), ASLEF are stepping or considering stepping up their LNER strike. From the BBC
LNER train drivers to strike for five more days
Did LNER drop the ball here or was it deliberate?
The TOCs have to give the unions 7 days notice if they want to impose a minimum service level. The union needs to give 14 days notice of strike action.
You would have thought LNER would have waited until the last minute before informing ASLEF
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 15:45, 22nd January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
LNER *are* planning to use it - and as a result (as I'm reading it), ASLEF are stepping or considering stepping up their LNER strike. From the BBC
LNER train drivers to strike for five more days
Update from the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68054064
Train drivers' union Aslef has called off five consecutive days of strikes on LNER services that were set to begin next month.
The action affecting LNER, which operates on the East Coast Mainline, was scheduled to start on 5 February.
However, walkouts by train drivers for many rail operators will still take place between 30 January and 5 February in a row over pay and conditions.
LNER drivers will join in one day of strikes during that period.
A source told the BBC that Aslef had called off the extra five days of action because LNER had told the union that it no longer intended to put minimum service levels (MSLs) in place.
LNER had planned to implement the measure on 2 February, during a period of widespread strike action that will affect 16 train operators.
Under new laws, employers can require staff who are planning to walkout to provide 40% of timetabled rail services.
The action affecting LNER, which operates on the East Coast Mainline, was scheduled to start on 5 February.
However, walkouts by train drivers for many rail operators will still take place between 30 January and 5 February in a row over pay and conditions.
LNER drivers will join in one day of strikes during that period.
A source told the BBC that Aslef had called off the extra five days of action because LNER had told the union that it no longer intended to put minimum service levels (MSLs) in place.
LNER had planned to implement the measure on 2 February, during a period of widespread strike action that will affect 16 train operators.
Under new laws, employers can require staff who are planning to walkout to provide 40% of timetabled rail services.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:26, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Looking for a bit of advice on behalf of a friend who is looking to travel from Westbury to Paddington (and back!) on Monday - is the overtime ban likely to have much impact on GWR services in the morning/evening peak?
He's trying to decide whether to make the effort.
Appreciate that this may be a difficult one to call but any advice would be most welcome.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 17:38, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Looking for a bit of advice on behalf of a friend who is looking to travel from Westbury to Paddington (and back!) on Monday - is the overtime ban likely to have much impact on GWR services in the morning/evening peak?
He's trying to decide whether to make the effort.
Appreciate that this may be a difficult one to call but any advice would be most welcome.
He's trying to decide whether to make the effort.
Appreciate that this may be a difficult one to call but any advice would be most welcome.
Personal reply - I would go for it, but travel up a train or two earlier than I needed for my appointments of whatever I was doing, and then expect that I might be a train or two behind my ideal. But then that is me / I am relatively robust.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 18:01, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sounds like good advice to me, Graham.
But, Monday 5th is the actual strike day, not an overtime ban day. This time of year an overtime ban is unlikely to have much effect, apart from on a Sunday when it will result in widespread disruption as before. So avoid Sunday 4th Feb and then the actual strike day on GWR will also be badly disrupted.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 19:41, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sounds like good advice to me, Graham.
But, Monday 5th is the actual strike day, not an overtime ban day. This time of year an overtime ban is unlikely to have much effect, apart from on a Sunday when it will result in widespread disruption as before. So avoid Sunday 4th Feb and then the actual strike day on GWR will also be badly disrupted.
But, Monday 5th is the actual strike day, not an overtime ban day. This time of year an overtime ban is unlikely to have much effect, apart from on a Sunday when it will result in widespread disruption as before. So avoid Sunday 4th Feb and then the actual strike day on GWR will also be badly disrupted.
Yours is good advice for Monday 5th - mine (I may have misread the question) was for next Monday, 29th January.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:54, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, if it was Monday 29th your advice is perfect.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:45, 26th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, if it was Monday 29th your advice is perfect.
The question was in respect of the 29th but thanks both.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 16:31, 29th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Advice from GWR:
Dear Graham
We wrote to you last week about ASLEF (train drivers union) industrial action starting today (Monday 29 January) until Tuesday 6 February, with a strike at GWR on Monday 5 February and action short of a strike for the other affected days.
This means that we are now only able to run a very limited high-speed service this Sunday 4 February, as we have fewer drivers available to work – especially on our long-distance services. As such, some parts of the GWR network will have no service at all, including all long distance trains out of London Paddington to Bristol, South Wales, and the South West. There will be no replacement bus services in lieu of these services in operation either.
Customers are advised to travel before the weekend or after Sunday. Where we can run services (and we expect to this include most of our local services), only a limited number of trains will run, they will be much busier than usual, and services will be subject to short notice alteration or cancellations.
Online journey planners should now be updated and accurate. Customers with tickets for travel from Tuesday 30 January to Monday 5 February can use these to travel from today (Monday 29 January) up to and including Wednesday 7 February.
Passengers aiming to travel from now until Tuesday 6 February should check before they travel using www.gwr.com/check.
For full information please visit our dedicated strike page www.gwr.com/strike, which also includes information on refunds.
If you can share this amongst your networks, we would be greatly appreciative, and apologies for the disruption and the further difficult news. If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
Best wishes
Tom
We wrote to you last week about ASLEF (train drivers union) industrial action starting today (Monday 29 January) until Tuesday 6 February, with a strike at GWR on Monday 5 February and action short of a strike for the other affected days.
This means that we are now only able to run a very limited high-speed service this Sunday 4 February, as we have fewer drivers available to work – especially on our long-distance services. As such, some parts of the GWR network will have no service at all, including all long distance trains out of London Paddington to Bristol, South Wales, and the South West. There will be no replacement bus services in lieu of these services in operation either.
Customers are advised to travel before the weekend or after Sunday. Where we can run services (and we expect to this include most of our local services), only a limited number of trains will run, they will be much busier than usual, and services will be subject to short notice alteration or cancellations.
Online journey planners should now be updated and accurate. Customers with tickets for travel from Tuesday 30 January to Monday 5 February can use these to travel from today (Monday 29 January) up to and including Wednesday 7 February.
Passengers aiming to travel from now until Tuesday 6 February should check before they travel using www.gwr.com/check.
For full information please visit our dedicated strike page www.gwr.com/strike, which also includes information on refunds.
If you can share this amongst your networks, we would be greatly appreciative, and apologies for the disruption and the further difficult news. If there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
Best wishes
Tom
Shared, as requested.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 16:59, 29th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As for the long distance network, it's effected more on Sunday than on the actual strike day Monday. I hope the Cardiff rugby passes off well on Saturday night & everyone gets to where they want to be.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Timmer at 19:54, 29th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
With SWR down as running a pretty normal Sunday service, journey planners are showing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath to London via Salisbury for Waterloo and South West to London changing onto SWR services at Exeter for Waterloo.
I wonder what, if anything SWR will do, particularly at Exeter to manage this? Am I right in saying they cannot running anything longer than x2 159s between Exeter and Salisbury?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 20:38, 29th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
With SWR down as running a pretty normal Sunday service, journey planners are showing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath to London via Salisbury for Waterloo and South West to London changing onto SWR services at Exeter for Waterloo.
I wonder what, if anything SWR will do, particularly at Exeter to manage this? Am I right in saying they cannot running anything longer than x2 159s between Exeter and Salisbury?
I wonder what, if anything SWR will do, particularly at Exeter to manage this? Am I right in saying they cannot running anything longer than x2 159s between Exeter and Salisbury?
Walkup fares via Honiton and via Warminster should be cheaper too

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 12:44, 30th January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Simon Calder has tweeted -
with the newly announced strikes by members of the RMT union working for London Overground:
19-20 February
4-5 March
19-20 February
4-5 March
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by bobm at 10:15, 31st January 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 16:59, 5th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On a day of hardly any trains due to industial action into the third year, I bring you https://aslef.org.uk/news/they-sold-their-souls-mess-pottage from ASLEF's Mick Whelan
Mick Whelan's column: February 2024
Colleagues, we entered the new year announcing action across the train operating companies whose hands have been tied by the Tory government at Westminster. It is the bad faith shown by those companies in negotiations last year - and the determination of the Tories to turn this into a political dispute, rather than to allow individual TOCs to negotiate with us in the traditional way, using free collective bargaining - that caused us to have to take industrial action in furtherance of our pay and conditions protection. This should not have happened, ad does not need to happen, but has been forced upon us.
Let us not forget the other bad actors in the process: the companies themselves who sold their mercenary souls for a mess of pottage, happy to crap on their drivers, and other grades, to keep their snouts in the trough.
[continues]
Colleagues, we entered the new year announcing action across the train operating companies whose hands have been tied by the Tory government at Westminster. It is the bad faith shown by those companies in negotiations last year - and the determination of the Tories to turn this into a political dispute, rather than to allow individual TOCs to negotiate with us in the traditional way, using free collective bargaining - that caused us to have to take industrial action in furtherance of our pay and conditions protection. This should not have happened, ad does not need to happen, but has been forced upon us.
Let us not forget the other bad actors in the process: the companies themselves who sold their mercenary souls for a mess of pottage, happy to crap on their drivers, and other grades, to keep their snouts in the trough.
[continues]
I have some sympathy with that view that the companies have sold their souls, but I would differ with Mick in suggeston they are happy to crap on their drivers - some I see are desparately unhappy about it, realising the damage it does for the future. And if they do what Mick describes as "taking their snouts out of the trough", what good would it do? There are others who will step in to take their place.
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by JayMac at 17:31, 5th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 20:54, 5th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.
Indeed - and I have three examples in the last week
* One longstanding friend who has been carless is going out to buy one
* Another who's a daily commuter on shift work on our line into Swindon is taking driving lessons
* And the third who was planning to go by rail to Southampton and back has instead taken the bus even though he'll now have to go the day before to be there in time for his appointment.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:19, 5th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.
Wrong Mick.

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by JayMac at 23:18, 5th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As far as their worldview goes, Messrs Lynch and Whelan are fairly interchangeable.

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 00:52, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.
The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money. Their hate of rail is clearly evident. The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes. The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there. That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 06:38, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.
I can accept that - except that it has come to me for wider circulation:
They sold their souls for a mess of pottage ASLEF (Press Release)
The Government don't exactly come out of this showing much concern for "passengers" or "customers" either.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:59, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.
The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money. Their hate of rail is clearly evident. The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes. The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there. That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.
..........and breathe.......

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by GBM at 08:17, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Don't talk about religion or politics!
Both have their pro's and con's, and never the twain shall meet.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 17:29, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.
The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money. Their hate of rail is clearly evident. The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes. The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there. That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.
..........and breathe.......

I’ve waffled…. and gone off on one! Man flu and sleep deprivation.

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:24, 6th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don’t think many of us have a problem with you showing a bit of passion about the subject.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:16, 7th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don’t think many of us have a problem with you showing a bit of passion about the subject.
Nothing wrong with a good vent now and again, especially if it helps blow the manflu away!

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Electric train at 20:52, 7th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.
The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money. Their hate of rail is clearly evident. The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes. The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there. That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.
a-driver I would go a step further this Government is anti public services full stop
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:12, 25th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I wonder if the membership were consulted on this decision?
BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by GBM at 08:40, 25th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I wonder if the membership were consulted on this decision?
BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
Not sure how that will go down with the 'rank and file' membership.BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
They will probably be more concerned with pay rises and less strike action.
I left the RMT for Unite (even tho' it was/is more expensive).
That was more of a local issue rather than a national level one.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 11:24, 25th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I wonder if the membership were consulted on this decision?
BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
Not sure how that will go down with the 'rank and file' membership.BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
They will probably be more concerned with pay rises and less strike action.
I left the RMT for Unite (even tho' it was/is more expensive).
That was more of a local issue rather than a national level one.
I doubt many of the members will be that bothered. The vast majority are only union members for job protection etc and aren’t particularly bothered by national politics. Indeed there are union members who openly voted Tory at the last election.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:48, 25th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I wonder if the membership were consulted on this decision?
BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
Not sure how that will go down with the 'rank and file' membership.BBC News - RMT leader Mick Lynch gives Jeremy Corbyn general election backing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68393822
They will probably be more concerned with pay rises and less strike action.
I left the RMT for Unite (even tho' it was/is more expensive).
That was more of a local issue rather than a national level one.
I doubt many of the members will be that bothered. The vast majority are only union members for job protection etc and aren’t particularly bothered by national politics. Indeed there are union members who openly voted Tory at the last election.
I suspect like much of the wider population they voted Tory because of Corbyn (as Labour's post election research discovered!)
Bizarre that the RMT now decide to "openly" back him.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 18:07, 25th February 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
....to stand as an MP....
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:31, 20th March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here we go again, another volley of bullets in the foot.
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-20/train-drivers-at-16-rail-companies-to-stage-a-fresh-wave-of-strikes
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:03, 20th March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nice to see Easter not being targeted.
The action is just rumbling along at a very low level waiting for the Tories to either be replaced (hoping that Labour are prepared to talk and compromise) or decide the good PR of a settlement to all the disputes close to the election is a good strategy.
The union has no other cards to play.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 14:29, 20th March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yet MP’s will be enjoying an inflation-busting 5.5% rise next month with no changes to their terms & conditions against what the IPSA call an ‘extremely difficult backdrop’
What’s good enough for one should, and would, be more than acceptable to all.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Electric train at 21:37, 20th March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nice to see Easter not being targeted.
Although it is during the school Easter holidays
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:48, 21st March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nice to see Easter not being targeted.
Although it is during the school Easter holidays
Presumably more lucrative not to strike over the Easter weekend given premiums for working Bank Holidays/Easter Sunday?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 09:23, 21st March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nice to see Easter not being targeted.
Although it is during the school Easter holidays
Presumably more lucrative not to strike over the Easter weekend given premiums for working Bank Holidays/Easter Sunday?
No premiums for working bank holidays, it’s normal rate. Sundays are time plus 0.25.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:10, 21st March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, GWR drivers used to get an enhancement of 0.25 for bank holidays but that was removed several years ago as part of a pay deal. So, Good Friday and Easter Monday are flat rate pay and Easter Sunday is just a ‘normal’ Sunday with a 0.25 enhancement.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:27, 22nd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, GWR drivers used to get an enhancement of 0.25 for bank holidays but that was removed several years ago as part of a pay deal. So, Good Friday and Easter Monday are flat rate pay and Easter Sunday is just a ‘normal’ Sunday with a 0.25 enhancement.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
That does seem somewhat mean doesn't it?
Bit of an anomaly as the drivers salaries, pensions etc are comparatively generous - although as you imply if it was part of a bigger deal that was more advantageous overall it may explain it.
I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Electric train at 16:40, 22nd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, GWR drivers used to get an enhancement of 0.25 for bank holidays but that was removed several years ago as part of a pay deal. So, Good Friday and Easter Monday are flat rate pay and Easter Sunday is just a ‘normal’ Sunday with a 0.25 enhancement.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
A railway contract I was under a few years ago, and I know is still in use, I got 6 days holiday to compensate for bank holidays being rostered as normal work days the only ones treated as bank holidays are Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day. Saturdays and Sundays also rostered the only enhanced overtime payments was for working a rest day 0.25.
Railways staff are restricted in we must have 12 hours rest between shifts, and can only work 13 days out of 14 ie every 13 days we must have a day off.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:10, 22nd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
The GWR drivers (and GWR HSS grade ones as well) don’t get any days off in lieu. IIRC bank holiday lieu days for drivers were removed going way back to the last century. Even Christmas Day/Boxing Day come out of a drivers annual leave unless they happen to be off that day anyway.
Yes, it would all have been negotiated at the time as part of a pay rise, but does help demonstrate that a headline salary doesn’t always tell the full story as it doesn’t in many jobs in many industries.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:34, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
The GWR drivers (and GWR HSS grade ones as well) don’t get any days off in lieu. IIRC bank holiday lieu days for drivers were removed going way back to the last century. Even Christmas Day/Boxing Day come out of a drivers annual leave unless they happen to be off that day anyway.
Yes, it would all have been negotiated at the time as part of a pay rise, but does help demonstrate that a headline salary doesn’t always tell the full story as it doesn’t in many jobs in many industries.
Got it - GWRs website states 32 days annual leave "inclusive of Bank Holidays", which suggests they've been "rolled in", whereas for mere mortals such as myself annual leave is expressed as something along the lines of 25 days + bank holidays.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 08:21, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Got it - GWRs website states 32 days annual leave "inclusive of Bank Holidays", which suggests they've been "rolled in", whereas for mere mortals such as myself annual leave is expressed as something along the lines of 25 days + bank holidays.
I'm not sure that it's "mere mortals" or a sensible way of doing it for a business / operation that's running 363/364 days a year. It's exactly what we did when running our hotel (and that was 365/366 days a year) and with the team we had it worked for everyone.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:05, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes indeed, Graham, and I get TG’s point too. In terms of leave the railway is slowly moving in that direction, with a few sectors/businesses yet to consolidate it in that way.
Regardless, it doesn’t alter the original question, which is that that there is no enhanced pay for GWR drivers (and many others) working over Easter weekend.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:18, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Regardless, it doesn’t alter the original question, which is that that there is no enhanced pay for GWR drivers (and many others) working over Easter weekend.
Now that I understand the way the drivers annual leave is configured, I sort of get why they wouldn't get enhancement for working on Bank Holidays - sounds as if it was negotiated away, perhaps in return for a higher basic salary?
Certainly in my business we have numerous roles that cover 365 days but those working on Bank Holidays get x 1.5 or x 2 at Xmas, but our Annual Leave is quoted as days + bank holidays.................then again those roles don't get paid as much as train drivers!

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:32, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which all begs the question: Why did ASLEF choose the weekend after Easter?
Is ‘public support’ still much of a consideration for a dispute that has gone on for so long?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:44, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which all begs the question: Why did ASLEF choose the weekend after Easter?
Is ‘public support’ still much of a consideration for a dispute that has gone on for so long?
Is ‘public support’ still much of a consideration for a dispute that has gone on for so long?
I don't think the public are too bothered either way now - as you say it's been going on for so long it's become part of the landscape - an irritant/inconvenience yes but not the paralysis it may once have caused - too many alternatives available and it's only an odd day here and there.
Doing it over the Easter holiday period/on a Saturday probably inconveniences more GWR leisure travellers, who are a much more significant part of the railway's business now, and they may well seek alternatives and stick with them going forward, but it'll hardly be felt by business travellers, and the overtime ban will probably just mean that more people work from home for a few extra days.
The Government certainly don't seem to be bothered but then again it's not an issue upon which too many votes depend.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:25, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, I think we’re kind of in agreement…though we’ll have to get you a Broadgage style bingo card.

It’s all about letting everyone know ASLEF are still in dispute occasionally, but until the Tories are ousted there will be no real likelihood of a settlement, and fair play to ASLEF for not ruining the big Easter getaway for the all important leisure market.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:51, 23rd March 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, I think we’re kind of in agreement…though we’ll have to get you a Broadgage style bingo card. 

Ah no......whilst I actually did have a glass of Port last weekend, I quite like the IETs (when they turn up, and aren’t shortformed!)
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:32, 22nd April 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here we go again......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68874928
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 21:30, 22nd April 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here we go again......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68874928
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68874928
Staff at 16 train companies will take part in rolling one-day walkouts between 7 and 9 May over pay and working conditions.
An overtime ban will also take place between 6 and 11 May.
Passengers are advised to check before they travel, with the action likely to lead to delays and cancellations.
The Bank Holiday falls on 6 May this year.
Aslef, the train drivers' union, said it is seeking better pay for its members and claimed drivers are being asked to sacrifice working conditions in exchange for a wage increase.
Drivers from several train companies will strike on different days.
Tuesday 7 May: c2c, Greater Anglia, Great Northern, Thameslink, Southeastern, Southern, Gatwick Express, South Western Railway main line and Island Line
Wednesday 8 May: Avanti West Coast, Chiltern Railways, CrossCountry, East Midlands Railway, Great Western Railway and West Midlands Trains
Thursday 9 May: LNER, Northern Trains and TransPennine Express
An overtime ban will also take place between 6 and 11 May.
Passengers are advised to check before they travel, with the action likely to lead to delays and cancellations.
The Bank Holiday falls on 6 May this year.
Aslef, the train drivers' union, said it is seeking better pay for its members and claimed drivers are being asked to sacrifice working conditions in exchange for a wage increase.
Drivers from several train companies will strike on different days.
Tuesday 7 May: c2c, Greater Anglia, Great Northern, Thameslink, Southeastern, Southern, Gatwick Express, South Western Railway main line and Island Line
Wednesday 8 May: Avanti West Coast, Chiltern Railways, CrossCountry, East Midlands Railway, Great Western Railway and West Midlands Trains
Thursday 9 May: LNER, Northern Trains and TransPennine Express
Also ...
Little progress has been made in solving the row between Aslef and the rail companies since the union first started striking in July 2022.
It has been going on do long it has almost ceased to be news. Lisa and I arrive on a ferry into Portsmouth in the afternoon of 8th May. We're just shrugging our shoulders and booking in to somewhere to stay overnight until the following morning.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 13:39, 2nd May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
ASLEF have today received an approach from the RDG to discuss a framework for reopening talks. No fresh offer has been received though.
Fingers crossed.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:55, 2nd May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Politically beneficial to settle just before an election?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 14:25, 2nd May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Politically beneficial to settle just before an election?
Surely they know they’re finished regardless of this dispute?
Edit: Thinking about it. You could be right! Burden someone else with the financial settlement.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:05, 2nd May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, I was thinking along those lines. Also, even though they are heading for a big defeat, the less seats they lose the better for them.
As we’re often reminded, it’s not a massive political issue, but there’s an apt saying that Tesco coined a few years ago…
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 21:46, 2nd May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, I was thinking along those lines. Also, even though they are heading for a big defeat, the less seats they lose the better for them.
And we should be minded that there are 345 individual Conservative MPs, the majority of whom would love to have another go. and some are ministers. It's not just numbers - it's personal. And there are some very interesting decisions and statements being made at the moment - both in terms of who they will please and what legacy they will leave.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:01, 4th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Mick Whelan is apparently "incredibly upbeat" about his ongoing strike - hard not to be I guess, given all that its achieved

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/rail-union-leader-incredibly-upbeat-ahead-of-next-train-drivers-strikes/ar-AA1o6aLL?ocid=BingNewsSerp
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 08:38, 4th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From GWR this morning ...
Dear Graham,
We’re sorry to inform you that strike action will affect GWR, Cross Country, Chiltern Railways and other train operators on Wednesday 8 May 2024.
Service changes and potential disruptions
On Wednesday 8 May, a reduced, revised timetable will operate across several train operators, including GWR. Many parts of the GWR network will have no service at all and trains that are running will only be operating for a limited period during the day.
In addition, from Monday 6 to Saturday 11 May, services could also be affected by a limited number of short-notice cancellations and alterations.
What can you do on strike days?
Where trains can operate, they're expected to be very busy. If you're travelling during this period, you should check both outward and return journeys before travelling. Other train operators will also be affected, so onward travel may be impacted as well.
You could also consider travelling on another day. If you've already purchased a ticket for a strike day, you can claim a full refund or change the date and time of your ticket.
We’re sorry to inform you that strike action will affect GWR, Cross Country, Chiltern Railways and other train operators on Wednesday 8 May 2024.
Service changes and potential disruptions
On Wednesday 8 May, a reduced, revised timetable will operate across several train operators, including GWR. Many parts of the GWR network will have no service at all and trains that are running will only be operating for a limited period during the day.
In addition, from Monday 6 to Saturday 11 May, services could also be affected by a limited number of short-notice cancellations and alterations.
What can you do on strike days?
Where trains can operate, they're expected to be very busy. If you're travelling during this period, you should check both outward and return journeys before travelling. Other train operators will also be affected, so onward travel may be impacted as well.
You could also consider travelling on another day. If you've already purchased a ticket for a strike day, you can claim a full refund or change the date and time of your ticket.
And link to https://www.gwr.com/strike
Personally, arriving into Portsmouth at 17:30 on 8th on the ship from Spain. Booked into a hotel to travel home the next morning.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:07, 9th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Looking at all the delays/cancellations/short running today/this week it would seem that the "action short of a strike" is having more of an impact on GWR than previous efforts from ASLEF?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by AMLAG at 12:17, 9th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Recent ASLEF strike days have seen no gWR special main line contingency TTs, leaving most stations with no services and the major regional hub of Bristol TM yesterday with only an hourly shuttle to Cardiff. Cross Country ran no trains at all anywhere.
Seems that most Driver Managers and others are no longer prepared to drive trains on strike days.
What few local gWR services that ran were possibly worked by staff that could just not afford or find justification to loose even more pay or were non union members.
Train drivers and others who work for Rail Freight Co’s, with resultant less Government interference, have good reasons to be pleased with their employment situations.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:15, 9th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Seems that most Driver Managers and others are no longer prepared to drive trains on strike days.
If it’s a weekday they have no choice in the matter!
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by didcotdean at 09:49, 10th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
For the last two strike days the GWR announcement has indicated no trains between London & Reading because of engineering work taking place, presumably part of the remedial infrastructure programme. Doesn't explain dropping services that typically ran previously during ASLEF strikes elsewhere of course.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Wizard at 09:22, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think some of the managers decided it wasn’t worth the hassle after the Ladbroke Grove wire incident last December. They are allowed to refuse.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:40, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think some of the managers decided it wasn’t worth the hassle after the Ladbroke Grove wire incident last December. They are allowed to refuse.
AIUI GWR Driver Managers are not allowed to refuse if it is a weekday and they haven't pre-booked leave or anything like that...at least that's what I was told by one of them.
Happy to be corrected if you can provide some evidence to the contrary?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Wizard at 12:39, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think some of the managers decided it wasn’t worth the hassle after the Ladbroke Grove wire incident last December. They are allowed to refuse.
AIUI GWR Driver Managers are not allowed to refuse if it is a weekday and they haven't pre-booked leave or anything like that...at least that's what I was told by one of them.
Happy to be corrected if you can provide some evidence to the contrary?
I have no physical evidence, I was just told by my own that he had refused to work (I think it was the February strike) and so had the other managers at the depot.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:13, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think some of the managers decided it wasn’t worth the hassle after the Ladbroke Grove wire incident last December. They are allowed to refuse.
AIUI GWR Driver Managers are not allowed to refuse if it is a weekday and they haven't pre-booked leave or anything like that...at least that's what I was told by one of them.
Happy to be corrected if you can provide some evidence to the contrary?
I have no physical evidence, I was just told by my own that he had refused to work (I think it was the February strike) and so had the other managers at the depot.
Are driver/managers eligible to join ASLEF? If so how could they be stopped from striking if they wanted to?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:30, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Driver Managers? As far as I know they are not eligible for ASLEF and are all in the TSSA.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:37, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Driver Managers? As far as I know they are not eligible for ASLEF and are all in the TSSA.
Takes me back to my Local Government days - most of the admin staff were in UNISON, whereas the managers tended to join GMB
UNISON was at least in part the successor to NALGO, which was always rumoured to have stood for "Not A Lot Going On"!

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:48, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Depending who you speak to about the BTP it can also stand for Be There Presently, or, if you’re less enamoured with them, Be There Perhaps!
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Wizard at 16:21, 12th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Driver Managers? As far as I know they are not eligible for ASLEF and are all in the TSSA.
Mine is still in Aslef, or was when I was speaking to him in February at least. There are no restrictions on being an Aslef member if you still drive trains.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:27, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That’s interesting to hear. It’s not been my experience in the depots I know well, but it sounds like there might be variations regionally then, and no actual ban on them being members, and I stand corrected.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:14, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Latest ballot results:
Great Western Railway
Are you prepared to take part in industrial action consisting of a strike?
YES 981 (90.83%)
NO 99 (9.17%)
Are you prepared to take part in industrial action short of a strike?
YES 1051 (97.50%)
NO 27 (2.50%)
Turnout: 76.11%
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 17:10, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely, the % figures ought to be of those entitled to vote, not that did vote?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 17:28, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely, the % figures ought to be of those entitled to vote, not that did vote?
69% of those entitled to vote actually voted that they were prepared to take part in a strike, and 74% that they would take part in industrial action short of a strike. Those are impressive figures when you compare them - for example - to our local Police and Crime Commissioner vote the other week, where only 22% voted and only 31% of them for the chap who got the job - so that's around 7% of those entitled to vote.
As a pendant, if I were a train driver and was asked "Are you prepared to take part in industrial action consisting of a strike?" if the truth be know, I would probably have voted "Yes". But not because I wanted to strike, and irrespective of what I though of the case. The biggest influence on my binary decision would be the knowledge that for years to come I would have to work alongside my colleagues and if I was not prepared to go strike ... memories are long, and there is much to be said for going along with the group decision. The question asked was "are you prepapred to take part" and not "do you want to take part".
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 17:32, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Whose neck do you hang around?

| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 17:44, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Whose neck do you hang around?


Oh indeed - my answer is the pragmatic one, and not showing any strong desire to take a different and perhaps difficult path to my colleagues. I admit I am a coward.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 18:28, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely, the % figures ought to be of those entitled to vote, not that did vote?
I would agree if there was any attempt to hide the turnout figures, but it’s all there and pretty transparent IMHO. And still a very strong mandate.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 21:07, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Whose neck do you hang around?


Oh indeed - my answer is the pragmatic one, and not showing any strong desire to take a different and perhaps difficult path to my colleagues. I admit I am a coward.
Re-read your post....

As a pendant, if I were a train driver .....
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 21:36, 13th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Darned smell correct!
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:49, 14th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely, the % figures ought to be of those entitled to vote, not that did vote?
As a pendant, if I were a train driver and was asked "Are you prepared to take part in industrial action consisting of a strike?" if the truth be know, I would probably have voted "Yes". But not because I wanted to strike, and irrespective of what I though of the case. The biggest influence on my binary decision would be the knowledge that for years to come I would have to work alongside my colleagues and if I was not prepared to go strike ... memories are long, and there is much to be said for going along with the group decision. The question asked was "are you prepapred to take part" and not "do you want to take part".
Voting in (what I assume?) was a secret ballot doesn't bind you to a particular course of action regardless of the outcome of that ballot. You should vote with your conscience.
It's a shame if people are still being ostracised and/or intimidated in the way you suggest may happen, in my public sector days I crossed plenty of picket lines which were often manned by colleagues and beyond a little short term tension occasionally it never affected friendships or working relationships longer term.
I think one of the joys of living in a democracy is that people are permitted to hold and express different views and act accordingly without fear of repercussions. If anyone seeks to suppress this by any means, it's them that should be held to account, as we all know where that road ends.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 05:39, 24th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On this day - 24th May (2021)
Members of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers vote overwhelmingly in favour of strike action, paving the way for the first national rail strike since 1994
Members of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers vote overwhelmingly in favour of strike action, paving the way for the first national rail strike since 1994
And here we are, three years later ... industrial action still so regular that it's become a standard reason given to me when people explain why they don't use the train - "we can't rely on it". When will it ever end?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by plymothian at 09:12, 24th May 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Seeing as we're now 6 weeks from a general election, certainly not soon.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 07:38, 7th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Seeing as we're now 6 weeks from a general election, certainly not soon.
Six weeks later, new government - what happens now?
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:27, 7th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My money would be on either "more constructive talks to take place" or perhaps some minor concession which allows both sides to claim "victory" and save face.
The dispute which the Government wants to get out of the way is the junior Doctors, and that's where the chequebook will be opened and the money will be going - the rail unions will be some way back in the queue in this context.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:04, 7th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Six weeks later, new government - what happens now?
I reckon there will be an offer of a 'no-strings-attached' pay rise soon (quite a small one in poercentage terms) with a commitment to discuss a further increases with associated work practice reforms (i.e. with strings attached) on an individual operator basis rather than as a whole.
Exactly how the Tories should have approached it after their first offer was rejected.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 12:28, 7th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Seeing as we're now 6 weeks from a general election, certainly not soon.
Six weeks later, new government - what happens now?
The Tories will be blamed. Labour will claim it’s all far worse than we imagined.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 13:03, 7th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Seeing as we're now 6 weeks from a general election, certainly not soon.
Six weeks later, new government - what happens now?
The Tories will be blamed. Labour will claim it’s all far worse than we imagined.
That goes both ways for years. Did I really hear Liz Truss blaming her loss in the early hours of Friday morning on the consequences of what Labour left her party in 2010? One of the less gracious speeches ... of the evening and I felt it stretched reality
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 17:50, 8th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That goes both ways for years. Did I really hear Liz Truss blaming her loss in the early hours of Friday morning on the consequences of what Labour left her party in 2010? One of the less gracious speeches ... of the evening and I felt it stretched reality
Absolutely…… and you did hear Liz Truss say that! Unreal.
Labour have already laid the groundwork for its future failings by stating we may not fix all the issues within 5 years.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by grahame at 17:01, 17th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From Labour List
The new government is set to hold fresh talks as early as next week over the train drivers’ pay dispute.
The Press Association has reported that rail union ASLEF and the Department for Transport look set to enter talks to discuss the matter sometime next week.
The Labour-affiliated train drivers’ union has been embroiled in a long-running row over pay with the government.
The Press Association has reported that rail union ASLEF and the Department for Transport look set to enter talks to discuss the matter sometime next week.
The Labour-affiliated train drivers’ union has been embroiled in a long-running row over pay with the government.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 21:23, 17th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Reported to be taking place on Tuesday of next week.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 20:45, 23rd July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And indeed they were...
From the Evening Standard, via MSN
Fresh talks in train drivers’ pay dispute ‘constructive’ – Aslef
to resolve their long-running pay dispute have been described as “constructive”.
The meeting at the Department for Transport (DfT) on Tuesday will be followed by further talks in the coming weeks.
The two sides met after months of stalemate under the Conservatives in the two-year row over pay, terms and conditions.
The Rail Delivery Group, which represents train companies involved in the row, was not invited to attend Tuesday’s meeting.
With a new Secretary of State for Transport in place, I hope, and think, we can, and will, get a deal done
Aslef members have taken 18 days of strikes since the dispute started, causing huge disruption to passengers.
Mick Whelan, general secretary of Aslef, described the talks as “constructive”, adding that with a new government in place, he hopes there can be a positive resolution that works for train drivers, whom he said have not had an increase in salary for five years.
Mr Whelan said the Conservative government and its transport ministers had “put the brakes” on a deal, adding: “Now, with a new Secretary of State for Transport in place, I hope, and think, we can, and will, get a deal done.”
It was the first meeting between the union and the transport department since April last year.
Previous talks have involved the Rail Delivery Group.
Transport Secretary Louise Haigh said in a recent message on X, formerly Twitter: “Fourteen years without a workforce strategy has left our railways understaffed, reliant on voluntary working and lurching from one crisis to the next. Our urgent priority is to reset workforce relations and put passengers first.”
A DfT spokesperson said: “The Transport Secretary has been clear she wants to reset industrial relations for the benefit of passengers and the workforce.
“Today officials resumed talks with Aslef, holding a constructive meeting as we look to resolve this long-running dispute.
“Further conversations will be held in the coming weeks.”
to resolve their long-running pay dispute have been described as “constructive”.
The meeting at the Department for Transport (DfT) on Tuesday will be followed by further talks in the coming weeks.
The two sides met after months of stalemate under the Conservatives in the two-year row over pay, terms and conditions.
The Rail Delivery Group, which represents train companies involved in the row, was not invited to attend Tuesday’s meeting.
With a new Secretary of State for Transport in place, I hope, and think, we can, and will, get a deal done
Aslef members have taken 18 days of strikes since the dispute started, causing huge disruption to passengers.
Mick Whelan, general secretary of Aslef, described the talks as “constructive”, adding that with a new government in place, he hopes there can be a positive resolution that works for train drivers, whom he said have not had an increase in salary for five years.
Mr Whelan said the Conservative government and its transport ministers had “put the brakes” on a deal, adding: “Now, with a new Secretary of State for Transport in place, I hope, and think, we can, and will, get a deal done.”
It was the first meeting between the union and the transport department since April last year.
Previous talks have involved the Rail Delivery Group.
Transport Secretary Louise Haigh said in a recent message on X, formerly Twitter: “Fourteen years without a workforce strategy has left our railways understaffed, reliant on voluntary working and lurching from one crisis to the next. Our urgent priority is to reset workforce relations and put passengers first.”
A DfT spokesperson said: “The Transport Secretary has been clear she wants to reset industrial relations for the benefit of passengers and the workforce.
“Today officials resumed talks with Aslef, holding a constructive meeting as we look to resolve this long-running dispute.
“Further conversations will be held in the coming weeks.”
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:11, 26th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
................something tells me they may be disappointed?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/train-drivers-demand-pay-rise-five-times-higher-than-inflation-to-end-strikes/ar-BB1qGc3l?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a97511f13acf44a59d7bd5d317a5b7c8&ei=6
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by a-driver at 19:08, 27th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
................something tells me they may be disappointed?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/train-drivers-demand-pay-rise-five-times-higher-than-inflation-to-end-strikes/ar-BB1qGc3l?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a97511f13acf44a59d7bd5d317a5b7c8&ei=6
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/train-drivers-demand-pay-rise-five-times-higher-than-inflation-to-end-strikes/ar-BB1qGc3l?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=a97511f13acf44a59d7bd5d317a5b7c8&ei=6
Something tells me they won’t!
No payrise for 5 years…. I’m sure inflation hasn’t been 2% every year for the last 5 years!
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by Wizard at 23:23, 27th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No, inflation is around 25% for the last five years. A £60000 salary in 2019 should be worth around £75000 now. A 10% payrise for drivers is a decent uplift but nowhere near what it ‘should’ be.
| Re: Rail unions industrial and strike action 2024 Posted by PhilWakely at 07:13, 28th July 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No, inflation is around 25% for the last five years. A £60000 salary in 2019 should be worth around £75000 now. A 10% payrise for drivers is a decent uplift but nowhere near what it ‘should’ be.
Interestingly, a Back-bench MP's salary has risen thus over the last 5 years.....
2019 £79,468
2020 £81,932 (3.1% increase)
2021 £81,932 (no increase)
2022 £84,144 (2.7% increase)
2023 £86,584 (2.9% increase)
2024 £91,346 (5.5% increase)
or an increase of 14.94% over 5 years.














