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Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
9.6.2025 (Monday) 11:28 - All running AOK
 
Re: Severn Tunnel - engineering improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 05:58, 9th June 2025
 
With the Severn Tunnel Closed ... could this happen at a worse time?

Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Gloucester
Due to a points failure between Bristol Parkway and Gloucester all lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:00 09/06.
Customer Advice
What has happened?
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The points are not working correctly. Points are the moving pieces of metal which enable trains to change tracks.

Re: Severn Tunnel - engineering improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by ChrisB at 14:51, 8th June 2025
 
TfW won't cope with GWRs traffic as well as theirs?

Re: Severn Tunnel - engineering improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 14:23, 8th June 2025
 
Change at Gloucester/Cheltenham eh? Not today you couldn't - XC are very limited service owing to no Sunday drivers on that route!

Why not - GWR and Transport for Wales?   Agreed it'll be quite thin

Re: Severn Tunnel - engineering improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by ChrisB at 13:43, 8th June 2025
 
Change at Gloucester/Cheltenham eh? Not today you couldn't - XC are very limited service owing to no Sunday drivers on that route!

Re: Severn Tunnel - engineering improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:13, 8th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Travel warning as 11 day Severn Tunnel works start

People using the railway network around the West of England are being warned of disruption as "vital" work to the Severn Tunnel's overhead power lines is due to start.

The tunnel, which links England and Wales, will be closed from Monday 9 June for 11 days, until 20 June, with reduced train services in place.

Trains between London and South Wales will stop at Gloucester instead of Bristol Parkway and replacement buses are planned to operate between Bristol Parkway and Newport, as well as Cardiff Central.

A limited train service will still run between London Paddington and Bristol Parkway.

Rail passengers travelling between Bristol and South Wales are being advised to change at Gloucester or Cheltenham Spa, where trains will still be running.

Network Rail programme director Ross Mahoney said: "All of this work is vital to ensure the continued safe and reliable running of the railway."

Engineers will be carrying out work to the overhead lines, which power trains through the Severn Tunnel, and where track was replaced last summer, Network Rail said.

It will also be working to replace track, sleepers and stone in the Stoke Gifford area, as well as renewing points in Filton.

While the line is closed, vegetation will also be cleared from the Severn Beach area of South Gloucestershire.

The same work, focused on South Gloucestershire and the Severn Tunnel, will take place on 29 June until about 16:00 BST, with train services impacted in a similar way.

Network Rail is also warning that on 15 June replacement buses are planned between Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central.

GWR trains will run between London Paddington and Bristol Parkway, as well as between Newport and Swansea or Carmarthen.



Re: Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
Posted by Mark A at 14:31, 3rd May 2024
 
As it happens, Network Rail have today tweeted a link to a short video on their pump renewal work to keep the tunnel reliably dry. Presumably those pumps will today be adding the small additional ingress from whatever it was managed to pop through the lining at the Welsh end of the structure to their day-to-day load.

The Wikipedia article on the Severn Tunnel quotes 26 minutes between complete cessation of pumping and "The tunnel being full of water" which sounds a bit gloomy. There's no source for that figure, 26 minutes might just be the time for the water to rise above rail level perhaps.

Interesting paper from 1970 on the source of the Great Spring:

https://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/proceedings/vol12/UBSS_Proc_12_2_203-212.pdf

Mark

https://twitter.com/networkrail/status/1786375113962619160

Re: Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
Posted by bobm at 10:01, 3rd May 2024
 
I wondered which tunnel it was.   


Re: Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
Posted by Noggin at 09:06, 3rd May 2024
 
Only very recently, I said

"I have no problem with crossing a properly built UK bridge, but would be reluctant to cross the improvised looking suspension bridges that are common overseas.
I would certainly avoid bridges with a glass deck as have recently become popular, and I avoided the glass floor at Paddington station.
Waterloo bridge made me a bit nervous in extreme high winds, because the railings looked too low, and I had a fear of being blown over the railings and into the water to a certain death. I took care to only use the upwind walkway in extreme weather, or to take a taxi.
I once knew someone with a phobia about crossing the Thames or any other large body of water by bridge, that was understandable as they had survived an oil rig disaster.

I have a slight fear of deep tunnels under water, lest they suddenly flood. The SEVERN TUNNEL is the worst due to the vast amount of water that enters and the requirement for continual pumping.
Not very keen on the older tube tunnels under the Thames either.
No problem with the channel tunnel as it is newer and well built."


Slightly off-topic but IIRC there's at least one toll bridge in the US where if you are afraid of heights, there's the option for you and your vehicle to be driven across by their staff.

Personally I'm more nervous about fellow travellers

Re: Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
Posted by broadgage at 04:54, 3rd May 2024
 
Only very recently, I said

"I have no problem with crossing a properly built UK bridge, but would be reluctant to cross the improvised looking suspension bridges that are common overseas.
I would certainly avoid bridges with a glass deck as have recently become popular, and I avoided the glass floor at Paddington station.
Waterloo bridge made me a bit nervous in extreme high winds, because the railings looked too low, and I had a fear of being blown over the railings and into the water to a certain death. I took care to only use the upwind walkway in extreme weather, or to take a taxi.
I once knew someone with a phobia about crossing the Thames or any other large body of water by bridge, that was understandable as they had survived an oil rig disaster.

I have a slight fear of deep tunnels under water, lest they suddenly flood. The SEVERN TUNNEL is the worst due to the vast amount of water that enters and the requirement for continual pumping.
Not very keen on the older tube tunnels under the Thames either.
No problem with the channel tunnel as it is newer and well built."

Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
Posted by JayMac at 22:02, 2nd May 2024
 
The Severn Tunnel was closed late afternoon, 2nd May 2024 after a passing train driver noticed water shooting out from the tunnel wall on the up side approximately 1/4 mile from the Welsh portal.

Inspections confirmed water ingress and some dislodged brickwork.

Lots of cancellations to regional services with some London<>Wales services diverted via Lydney.

The tunnel reopened around 9.45pm. Down services at line speed. Up services cautioned through the affected area.

[otd] 1st December 1886 - First passenger service though Severn Tunnel
Posted by grahame at 09:17, 1st December 2023
 
From Wikipedia

Structurally completed during 1885, the first passenger train was run through the tunnel on 1 December 1886, nearly 14 years after the commencement of work.

Re: Severn Tunnel - train broken down
Posted by grahame at 10:24, 15th August 2023
 
Journeycheck was showing disruption until 8am, now extended to 10am

Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central
Following a broken down train earlier today between Pilning and Severn Tunnel Jn the line will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 11:00 15/08.
Train services between Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed.

Re: Severn Tunnel - train broken down
Posted by grahame at 09:05, 15th August 2023
 
Journeycheck was showing disruption until 8am, now extended to 10am

And if you read into individual trains you'll find warnings of ongoing disruption.  Everything will not be magically back on time by 10:01!

11:23 Swansea to London Paddington due 14:14

11:23 Swansea to London Paddington due 14:14 will be starting late from Swansea.
This is due to a broken down train.

Re: Severn Tunnel - train broken down
Posted by grahame at 08:14, 15th August 2023
 
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03023/2023-08-14/detailed

5Q86 - Worksop to Sims, Newport.  Empty none-passenger stock.  A withdrawn train with some personality objecting to being taken to the scrapyard?

Pathed as Diesel locomotive, trailing load 600 tonnes
Planned for 75mph max

Re: Severn Tunnel - train broken down
Posted by GBM at 08:03, 15th August 2023
 
There's a 5Q86 sulking between Severn Tunnel West and Severn Tunnel Junction.
Single line running around it.
Can't see a 5Q86 on RTT tho'

Journeycheck was showing disruption until 8am, now extended to 10am

Severn Tunnel - incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 07:45, 15th August 2023
 
Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central

Due to a broken down train between Pilning and Severn Tunnel Jn some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:00 15/08.

Train services between Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central may be cancelled or delayed.

Customer Advice

We're sorry for the delay to your journey.

A freight train has broken down in the Severn Tunnel blocking one of the two lines. While arrangements are being made for an engineer to attend to fix the train we are able to use the other line, but this means we have to run a reduced service.

We will update this message with more information when we have it.

Sound like a quick fix is expected.  For which relief, much thanks - line via Lydney closed this week.

Re: new road rail vehicles for severn tunnel area
Posted by grahame at 13:37, 7th December 2020
 

Well - we are SUPPOSED to be in lockdown, only travelling to work if we cannot work from home or for essential shopping or exercise, though from seeing some of the pictures at places like the Whitehall Garden Centre and reading what is reported

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/parking-issues-and-safety-fears-as-thousands-visit-whitehall-garden-centre/

Dozens of locals have raised concerns over the vast number of people visiting Whitehall Garden Centre near Chippenham over the weekend.

....

Looks like the council took the same view ...

https://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/news/COVID-direction-order-successful-at-Whitehall-Garden-Centre

Wiltshire Council has successfully implemented a COVID Direction Order after it required a local business to make a number of improvements to ensure it can operate safely and protect public health.
 
Whitehall Garden Centre in Lacock was issued with a COVID Direction Order and had to take actions to comply with restrictions to help prevent COVID-19 transmissions within the county.
 
The centre took necessary steps to improve their systems to achieve the public health requirement and manage the risk to Wiltshire residents by ensuring appropriate measures were in place.

The centre was issued with the directions, issued under the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No.3) Regulations 2020 on Monday 30 November.  This directed the management of the garden centre to comply with a number of directions, including review car parking arrangements, implement more measures to ensure customers can visit in a COVID secure way such as an improved queuing system, floor markings and one-way system; increase staff training and much more careful monitoring of customer numbers on the premises.

As I have not seen a rash of notices like this, can I read into this that for some reason it was especially necessary in this case?

Re: new road rail vehicles for severn tunnel area
Posted by grahame at 08:59, 23rd November 2020
 
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/network-rails-new-road-rail-4722515

Also if any one is at home at 10:00am on Monday on BBC1 its about a house/home at Sudbrook

Well - we are SUPPOSED to be in lockdown, only travelling to work if we cannot work from home or for essential shopping or exercise, though from seeing some of the pictures at places like the Whitehall Garden Centre and reading what is reported

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/parking-issues-and-safety-fears-as-thousands-visit-whitehall-garden-centre/

Dozens of locals have raised concerns over the vast number of people visiting Whitehall Garden Centre near Chippenham over the weekend.

Visitors have been accused of ignoring the government?s current restrictions, but rules do permit people to visit shops open to the public ? including garden centres.

Despite the centre putting in place the required precautions and following the COVID-secure guidelines, it hasn?t stopped families eager to view the Christmas display from flocking there.

Throughout the weekend, dozens of vehicles were parked along Corsham Road and other nearby streets, some parked illegally on junctions and blocking assess to farmers? fields.

Families ? some with small children and pushchairs ? could be seen walking up and down the road which has a national speed limit (60mph).

?It?s not our fault that a large amount of people tried to visit us today?, the firm?s marketing manager Charlotte Self said, commenting on yesterday?s parking concerns.

Adding that the centre has ?restricted the number of people allowed in? at any one time.

Miss Self told local residents ?we?re trying our best?, mentioning that closing the establishment unnecessarily would mean they ?couldn?t support their 180 staff?.

To reduce the spread of coronavirus, Whitehall Garden Centre has placed sanitising stations throughout and completely restructured the farm shop and checkout areas.

I will be at home ... having said which, I have a 10 a.m. zoom meeting so I'll sadly have to miss the program ...

Severn Tunnel - improvements, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by infoman at 07:31, 23rd November 2020
 
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/network-rails-new-road-rail-4722515

Also if any one is at home at 10:00am on Monday on BBC1 its about a house/home at Sudbrook

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by phile at 10:17, 28th July 2019
 
As it happens, I have to travel from Bath to Newport on Sunday October 6th. Looking at that list, I seem to have struck very lucky in having the only Sunday without bustitution, but how likely is it that trains will actually run when that weekend finally arrives?

6th Ooctober is not in that list, normal service

Yes I know that, but how likely is it that they will keep to that? I've planned trips in similar circumstances and found late changes have meant buses have replaced the train I had hoped to use.

However, it is notable that this is the one Sunday missing from a long list, so there is presumably a reason for that. Does anyone know what that might be?

Sorry, misread your post.   

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by froome at 07:14, 28th July 2019
 
As it happens, I have to travel from Bath to Newport on Sunday October 6th. Looking at that list, I seem to have struck very lucky in having the only Sunday without bustitution, but how likely is it that trains will actually run when that weekend finally arrives?

6th Ooctober is not in that list, normal service

Yes I know that, but how likely is it that they will keep to that? I've planned trips in similar circumstances and found late changes have meant buses have replaced the train I had hoped to use.

However, it is notable that this is the one Sunday missing from a long list, so there is presumably a reason for that. Does anyone know what that might be?

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by phile at 14:47, 27th July 2019
 
As it happens, I have to travel from Bath to Newport on Sunday October 6th. Looking at that list, I seem to have struck very lucky in having the only Sunday without bustitution, but how likely is it that trains will actually run when that weekend finally arrives?

6th Ooctober is not in that list, normal service

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by froome at 08:44, 26th July 2019
 
As it happens, I have to travel from Bath to Newport on Sunday October 6th. Looking at that list, I seem to have struck very lucky in having the only Sunday without bustitution, but how likely is it that trains will actually run when that weekend finally arrives?

Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - dates from July to October 2019
Posted by grahame at 17:37, 25th July 2019
 
Further closures this summer and autumn, from Network Rail media centre

On Saturday 27 and Sunday 28 July, buses will replace trains between Bristol Parkway station and Cardiff Central station as engineers will work around the clock on the railway to continue installing the overhead line equipment.

Further work is planned on weekends throughout the summer and autumn months with buses replacing trains on the following dates:

Sunday 25 August (until 14:00, when coaches replace trains between Bristol Parkway and Newport instead)
Sunday 8 September (until 14:00)
Saturday 14 and Sunday 15 September
Sunday 22 September (until 14:00)
Sunday 29 September (until 14:00)
Sunday 13 October (until 14:00)
Sunday 20 October (until 14:00)

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by Adrian at 19:56, 3rd July 2019
 
Earthing straps intended for 25 years but decaying after 4.  Expert suggests that a compromise solution is available in running the trains on diesel for 6 or 7 km.  "You would not notice" switch from electric to diesel, and you'll still get electric trains in Cardiff.   However, it's said that Network Rail are also looking for alternatives.

Running IETs on diesel through the tunnel might be possible, but it would rule out any possibility of using 387s as crowd-busters on event days in Cardiff.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by Oxonhutch at 07:05, 1st July 2019
 
It's possible not helped by the fact that the contact system has been bonded out for the last 4 years allowing circulating currents caused by the electrolysis to flow.

I think ET put his finger on the main driver. That was not part of the original design which envisaged electric trains into South Wales by now.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by stuving at 18:26, 30th June 2019
 
Presumably the damp and corrosive atmosphere in the tunnel was not known about in advance, and could not have been found by prior inspection ?

If you think through what "prior inspection" would involve, I suspect that's right. As ET has pointed out (including when this topic came up before) that tunnel is know to be as bad as it gets for corroding metals. And among tunnels with OLE inside, let's say it was known beforehand to be worse than anywhere done before. What next?

Assume Plan A is to choose, among kit that's available to buy, whatever has the best performance in this respect. (I know that in practice it may have been F+F's system or nothing, but put that to one side for now). Is there a better plan B? You'd need to quantify how much worse this tunnel is than the standard bad tunnel the design was based on ... if it was. What do you sample? Where? How do you test it?

Ultimately, I suspect the answers would be of limited use, and you'd end up needing to do some full-scale tests - installing lengths of OLE to see what happens, ideally of several possible designs. Then, of course you wait and see - for at least ten years to show that Plan A would have been OK ten years ago. Of course you'd find out quicker if you need a new system. So ask the boss, "do we have ten years?"

I'm beginning to see the attractions of plan A.
 

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by broadgage at 16:43, 30th June 2019
 
Presumably the damp and corrosive atmosphere in the tunnel was not known about in advance, and could not have been found by prior inspection ?

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by eightf48544 at 14:49, 30th June 2019
 
It is quite likely that there has been a higher level of electrolytic action between the dissimilar metals, zinc, stainless steel, aluminium than expected causing the damage.  Its possible not helped by the fact that the contact system has been bonded out for the last 4 years allowing circulating currents caused by the electrolysis to flow.

It's been along time since I did A level physics but could one have replaceable sacrificial  anodes similar to those on my cousins steel hulled narrow-boat. He's got through about 3 sets of 4 in 20 years.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by Electric train at 19:33, 29th June 2019
 
The OLE structures in the tunnel will be galvanised steel, the hard drawn copper alloy contact wire is in an aluminium "conductor beam" this is supported from the structures by polymeric insulators.  All of the OLE structures will have a multi strand aluminium between them as a bonding conductor (in layman's terms and earth wire), the aluminium bonding conductor will be fastened to the structures by a stainless steel clamp.

It is quite likely that there has been a higher level of electrolytic action between the dissimilar metals, zinc, stainless steel, aluminium than expected causing the damage.  Its possible not helped by the fact that the contact system has been bonded out for the last 4 years allowing circulating currents caused by the electrolysis to flow.

I have visited many tunnels in my railway career including Seven Tunnel a number of times, whilst all Victorian tunnels are damp and dank places Seven Tunnel in in a league of its own in regards dampness

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by Timmer at 12:58, 29th June 2019
 
The wrong kind of humidity.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by stuving at 18:38, 28th June 2019
 
Some of this is a bit garbled, isn't it? For example, from Railnews:
However. it has emerged that recently-installed earthing straps connected to the overhead conductor rails inside the tunnel are already breaking down. Network Rail had estimated that they would be all right for 25 years.

Well, if the overhead conductor rail really is earthed, there won't be any electric running anyway!

I guess the issue is earthing straps (or bonding) of all the steel supports bolted to the roof. All OLE has to have its steel structures securely earthed, using its own piles and wires alongside the track joining all the bits together, plus bonding to the rails as well. However, these roof supports are extra bits, and there are a lot of them - at a maximum of 12 m apart x 12 km that's a thousand or more, so replacing that many would be a big job. Obviously the same goes for replacing the supports, which as they look like galvanised mild steel may also degrade quite fast.

The BBC words refer to two quite different issues:
Earth straps - a safety feature on the overhead connectors holding up the power line - were corroding in the salt water environment within months when they are supposed to have a 25-year lifespan, meaning the line through the tunnel could not be electrified safely.
Media captionInside the four-mile-long underwater Severn Tunnel

It means the electrification system within the brickwork tunnel - the longest underwater tunnel in the world for more than 100 years after it opened in 1886 - struggles to maintain voltage and regularly trips.

Network Rail contracted experts from Swiss company Furrer and Frey, specialists in developing power cables inside tunnels, to design a solution but none have so far worked in the salty climate.

If the material of the straps corrodes, the first thing I'd expect to see is they fail a visual inspection. That would make it unsafe to energise, but wouldn't make it trip. Now, I'd guess the damp makes the insulators disinclined to insulate, and too high a leakage might cause the power to trip. But for slightly dodgy earthing to make that worse needs something extra to be involved.

I did wonder, when this was first mentioned some time last year, if Furrer + Frey might know a lot about tunnels through Alps, but still be short of experience of undersea ones (due to the lack of sea in Switzerland).

If all the right information is given to the right people (metallurgists, for example) you'd think that should produce an answer to the problem. Put that way, there is an implication that what was installed wasn't chosen by such a process - perhaps by picking the standard item most likely to cope.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by RobT at 14:08, 28th June 2019
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48621944

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by grahame at 13:46, 28th June 2019
 
Could you please post a link?  Thanks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07c22hk

1 hour 35 minutes and a few seconds in.

Earthing straps intended for 25 years but decaying after 4.  Expert suggests that a compromise solution is available in running the trains on diesel for 6 or 7 km.  "You would not notice" switch from electric to diesel, and you'll still get electric trains in Cardiff.   However, it's said that Network Rail are also looking for alternatives.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by johnneyw at 13:40, 28th June 2019
 
It's quickly available on the news at the top of the hour on BBC Radio Bristol through the iPlayer. It's been on all the bulletins this morning. Not sure about a precise link.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by Oxonhutch at 13:09, 28th June 2019
 
Could you please post a link?  Thanks.

Re: Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by johnneyw at 10:15, 28th June 2019
 
Just had a listen. Looks serious. The straps were expected to last 25 years and are now failing less than 4 years after installation. Salty, humid conditions (you don't say!) are blamed. The report said this could have a severe impact on electrification to Wales.

Edit:  IIRC the straps referred to were "earthing straps".

Tim Harris speaks about Severn Tunnel
Posted by infoman at 07:44, 28th June 2019
 
Tim Harris speaking about concerns for the electrification as regards to "the straps"

through  Severn Tunnel on Radio Bristol.

Listen again approx 07:35am in, on Friday 28 June 2019.

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by SandTEngineer at 10:29, 22nd April 2019
 
Photographs of the new Patchway footbridge being installed, down the page here: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by Adrian at 19:00, 14th April 2019
 
The Easter blockade includes Newport - Gloucester services too, but the 27th/28th is apparently just for the tunnel.  Does anyone know whether it is planned to energise the section from Bristol Parkway through the Severn Tunnel that weekend?
 

Re: Severn Tunnel closure / engineering - 19-22 and 27-28 April 2019
Posted by bobm at 07:19, 14th April 2019
 
The line to the West of England also closed at Castle Cary on Easter Sunday with trains leaving Paddington earlier than normal and going via Bristol.

Severn Tunnel - improvements, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 06:30, 14th April 2019
 
From GWR Media Centre

Quicker journeys promised as engineering work set to continue this Easter

Wednesday 10th April 2019
Rail engineering work continues this Easter as Network Rail carries out vital electrification works in the Severn Tunnel.

The work, which when complete will enable passengers to experience the full benefits of new Intercity Express Trains, will also see a new accessible footbridge provided at Patchway Station.

With the railway line closed to train services between Bristol Parkway and Newport, trains will run to an amended timetable from Good Friday, Friday 19, to Easter Monday, Monday 22 April, and bus replacement services provided where trains are unable to operate.

trains between London Paddington and South Wales will terminate at Bristol Parkway and restart from Newport with replacement road transport in between

trains from Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central will terminate at Bristol Parkway instead; trains from Taunton to Cardiff Central will terminate at Bristol Temple Meads

replacement buses and coaches will operate between Bristol Parkway and Newport, with some calling additionally at Patchway and Severn Tunnel Junction

Further work is planned in the Severn tunnel on Saturday 27 and Sunday 28 April, when trains between London Paddington and South Wales will be diverted via an alternate route.

Replacement road transport will still operate between Bristol Parkway and Newport, with some buses calling additionally at Patchway and Severn Tunnel Junction

Severn Tunnel - improvements, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by grahame at 15:36, 11th September 2018
 
From 25th December 2018 to 1st January 2019, all lines will be closed at Severn Tunnel Junction.

London and Thames Valley to South Wales passengers should take the train to Bristol Parkway for a bus transfer to Newport, from where trains will be running to Cardiff and Swansea (Carmarthen??).  A 'local' rail replacement bus service will be provided from Brsitol Parkway to Patchway, Severn Tunnel Junction and Newport. I am not aware of arrangements for Pilning passengers on 29th December.

Passengers from Bristol and south thereof should also travel to Bristol Parkway and transfer to the bus there.

Note - the route from Gloucster to Newport is also blocked by these works, so diversions of London / Reading to South Wales trains via Gloucster is not possible.

Services from London / Reading via Oxford and Worcester to Hereford will NOT be extended to Newport due to limited route knowledge and route capacity, and the much extended journey time that would ensue.

Above as told by GWR major possessions team - a couple of elements may still be draft, but I am cleared to share. Please take this more as guildines that rules just for the moment.  Exact timetables online early November.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by phile at 14:59, 25th October 2016
 
Is it the intention that the Y Cymro power car(s) will always form the 0728 from Swansea? Doesn't that make it rather restrictive for GWR? They already have the challenge of keeping the green sets together. I'd have thought it must make the maintenance schedule something of a nightmare.

No.  It won't work it every day, it will cycle round like the rest.   The significance is in the name asnone of the other named ones work the trains every day.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by patch38 at 22:35, 24th October 2016
 
Better get some masking tape quickly and change Cymro to Kernow 

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by bobm at 22:27, 24th October 2016
 
I doubt it will be tomorrow as it is ending today at Laira depot in Plymouth having run down there on the infamous 19:03 from Paddington.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by patch38 at 22:18, 24th October 2016
 
Is it the intention that the Y Cymro power car(s) will always form the 0728 from Swansea? Doesn't that make it rather restrictive for GWR? They already have the challenge of keeping the green sets together. I'd have thought it must make the maintenance schedule something of a nightmare.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by bobm at 22:09, 24th October 2016
 
The thing I noticed was the state of the raised GWR lettering.  When it was launched great play was made of the fact they would be regularly polished to keep them pristine.  It doesn't really show in the photos but they could do with some brasso!

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by Rhydgaled at 22:05, 24th October 2016
 
the artwork on the side of the HST is essentially identical to the logo of the Welsh Government with a different curl of the tail added.
I was thinking it looked the same as the WAG logo, but I think the front leg pointing forward on the GWR one looks longer and the front leg with foot on the ground shorter. I also think they weren't planning ahead when they came up with the livery, adding the dragon has created a bit of a cluttered area at the front with the GWR logo and a big blank space behind. I suppose if they had placed the GWR logo differently to begin with it probably would have looked odd without the dragon.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:07, 24th October 2016
 
Interesting that they were accepting airline boarding passes on the trains - this and the mention of the flight times in the above press release suggest to me that FGW are more concerned about the LCY flights than I and others on here had previously thought.

Possibly, though perhaps they're just doing the sensible thing of reasserting their market dominance as quickly as possible now that normal journey times have resumed, and beginning the build up towards the introduction of the new trains and reduced journey times in a couple of years.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by Tim at 10:52, 24th October 2016
 
Thanks for the photos.  The Welsh dragon can be stylised many ways, but I notice that the artwork on the side of the HST is essentially identical to the logo of the Welsh Government with a different curl of the tail added.


Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by bobm at 10:09, 24th October 2016
 
A couple of pictures of 43187 on a wet Monday in Swindon




Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by Tim at 14:39, 23rd October 2016
 
GWR clearly on the offensive to the threat from the air route to/from London City.  Massive problems at the airport this evening though with an evacuation, 26 people needing emergency treatment and two people hospitalised.  GWR accepting paper and electronic boarding passes this evening.

I have been very critical of GWR in the past, but surely you are not suggesting that GWR are spaying noxious substances at LCY!!





Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN. 

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by chrisr_75 at 17:39, 22nd October 2016
 
Interesting that they were accepting airline boarding passes on the trains - this and the mention of the flight times in the above press release suggest to me that FGW are more concerned about the LCY flights than I and others on here had previously thought.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by IndustryInsider at 23:52, 21st October 2016
 
GWR clearly on the offensive to the threat from the air route to/from London City.  Massive problems at the airport this evening though with an evacuation, 26 people needing emergency treatment and two people hospitalised.  GWR accepting paper and electronic boarding passes this evening.

Re: Newly named train to mark re-opening of Severn Tunnel - Y Cymro - 'The Welshman'
Posted by chrisr_75 at 23:24, 21st October 2016
 
Erm, so when did the 7.28 SWA-PAD ever stop long term?

I call marketing bullsh1t!

Severn Tunnel - improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:15, 21st October 2016
 
From the Great Western Railway press release:

Newly named 500 seat train to mark re-opening of Seven Tunnel - Y Cymro - The Welshman - to start this Monday
 
Great Western Railway is to launch The Welshman this Monday, one of 59 daily train services between Cardiff and London Paddington, to mark the re-opening of the Severn Tunnel.
 
Taking the number of direct daily services from Cardiff to London Paddington back to 29 a day, the 0728 service from Swansea will be named Y Cymro – The Welshman.
 
It joins three other named week day services between London Paddington and South Wales: The Red Dragon; St David and The Capitals United.
 
Helping to provide over 30,000 seats a day between south Wales and London Paddington, the service will take 2 hours and 07 minutes from Cardiff – just seven minutes more than the minimum check-in time advised by airports.

The service calls at Cardiff at 0825 before making its way towards London for arrival into Paddington at 1032.
 
The tunnel is to re-open on Saturday 22 October, after its six-week closure for Network Rail electrification works.
 
GWR Managing Director Mark Hopwood said: “With a large number of passengers travelling by train between Cardiff and London Paddington, it is clear that rail remains the most convenient way to travel. And this Saturday journeys will be quicker again, taking a little over two hours after the six-week closure of Severn Tunnel; and at the same lead in Advance Single Fare price of just £18.00.
 
“I appreciate how disruptive this work may have been for some and I would like to thank them for your patience during the last six weeks. The vital work will modernise the railway between South Wales and London which, once complete, will enable us to deliver more frequent services, more seats, and to reduce journey times."
 
During the work Network Rail installed overhead lines to power GWR’s new Intercity Express Trains (IETs).
 
The new IETs will begin to enter service on selected routes from next summer, with Network Rail expected to complete electrification of the line between London Paddington to Cardiff by 2019. Once complete South Wales customers will experience quicker journey times, up to 21 minutes between Swansea and London Paddington, and more seats – up to a 25% increase in seats per train compared to existing High Speed Trains.
 
Alongside Y Cymro, The Welshman, there are 58 trains a day operating between Cardiff and London Paddington, each providing over 500 seats.
 
Some 32 train services a day operated during the Severn Tunnel work
 
Advance single tickets are available from £18.00 from Cardiff Central to London Paddington, without the need to pay extra for reservations or for more than one bag.
 
Named trains to/from Wales
 
The Capital United
 
·         0558 Swansea to London Paddington (Monday to Friday)
·         1645 London Paddington to Swansea (Monday to Friday)
 
The Capitals United Operates between London Paddington, Cardiff Central and Swansea. The name was originally used between 1956 and 1963 by British Railways and has been reintroduced by GWR to highlight the continuing importance of the rail link between the capitals of England and Wales
 
The Red Dragon
 
·         0730 Carmarthen to London Paddington (Monday to Friday)
·         1715 London Paddington to Carmarthen (Monday to Friday)
 
The Red Dragon runs between London Paddington and Carmarthen, and is named after the mythical Red Dragon (known in Welsh as Y Ddraig Goch) that appears on the Welsh national flag. Although the flag was only granted official status in 1959, it is claimed to be the oldest national flag still in use, although the origins are now lost in history and myth.
 
The St David
 
·         0745 London Paddington to Swansea (Monday to Friday)
·         1128 Swansea to London Paddington (Monday to Friday)
 
The St David operates between Swansea and London Paddington and is named after the patron saint of Wales (in Welsh, Dewi Sant). St David was born sometime between 462 and 512 and was officially recognised as the patron saint of Wales in 1120.
 


Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel - 09 Feb 15
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:12, 9th February 2015
 
Following safety checks having been made earlier between Newport (South Wales) and Bristol Parkway all lines have now reopened.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 45 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 09/02.
Customer Advice:
The Severn Tunnel has just reopened following safety checks. Regrettably, this took much longer to complete than was originally anticipated. Customers may still utilise a combination of Arriva Trains Wales, CrossCountry and First Great Western train services via any reasonable route in order to complete their journey until normal service has been restored.
Cross Country and Arriva Trains Wales are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.

Severn Tunnel - improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by bobm at 18:05, 9th February 2015
 
The Severn Tunnel is closed while an inspection takes place.

I was on the 15:45 London Paddington to Swansea which was sent via Gloucester.  We also picked up the passengers from the 15:15 to Cardiff which was terminated at Swindon.

The train manager announced another train had reporting hitting "a metallic object" in the tunnel. 

Passengers for Bristol Parkway are being sent via Temple Meads.

More trains set to stop at Severn Tunnel Junction station on Sunday mornings
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:12, 26th January 2015
 
From South Wales Argus:

More trains set to stop at Severn Tunnel

Trains now stop at a Monmouthshire train station on Sunday mornings after an action group persuaded a rail company it was worth collecting passengers there.

Passengers will be picked up at Severn Tunnel Junction on its way to Cardiff at 9.08am, 10.08am and 11.11am. Before the changes, no Cardiff-bound trains stopped at Severn Tunnel Junction, Caldicot or Chepstow stations before 11.20am.

First Great Western decided to make the change after meeting last year with representatives from STAG (Severn Tunnel Action Group) and MAGOR (Magor Action Group On Rail), Newport East MP Jessica Morden, and Monmouthshire councillors Bryan Jones and David Dovey. Cllr Jones is the cabinet member for operations, while Cllr Dovey is the chairman of the council^s transport strategy group.

STAG^s chairman, David Flint, said: ^It is something we have tried for for a long, long time and thanks to Jessica Morden, who got involved, and the county councillors we were able to convince First Great Western. It is another pleasing thing in trying to get Severn Tunnel Junction up to the level it deserves.^

According to the Office of Rail Regulation, since 2005-6, passengers^ use of Severn Tunnel Junction grew by 80 per cent.

Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by welshman at 21:24, 24th October 2013
 
Obviously the WRU are responsible for the closure because it's the rugby league  world cup.


Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by Tim at 11:49, 24th October 2013
 
If only they had build the second Severn crossing with a  rail-deck like over the Oresund.

Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:19, 23rd October 2013
 
From an e-mail press release I've just received from First Great Western:

Travel information for Rugby League World Cup

With just days to go before the Rugby League World Cup First Great Western is advising customers to check before they travel, as Network Rail carry out essential engineering work in the Severn Tunnel.

The railway between Bristol and Newport will be closed on Saturday 26 October and Sunday 27 October for the essential improvement works. Network Rail will be renewing two miles of life-expired track in Severn tunnel and a junction at Patchway, which will significantly improve the reliability of rail services between Bristol and Newport.

Trains from London will be diverted between Swindon and Newport towards Cardiff and journey times will be extended by up to an hour.

Rail replacement bus services will be in operation between Bristol Parkway and Newport.

Services between Bristol and South Wales

Trains between the South West, Soach Coast and Bristol Temple Meads to and from Cardiff Central will start and terminate at Bristol Parkway for bus connections.

Travelling to and from Bristol Parkway

A limited number of services will link London Paddington and Bristol Parkway. Frequent connections are also available from Bristol Temple Meads to Bristol Parkway. From South Wales change at Newport for bus services.

Travelling to and from Patchway and Pilning

Rail replacement bus services will link these stations with Severn Tunnel Junction and Bristol Parkway for onward train connections.

Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by John R at 16:27, 20th October 2013
 
Having researched, it was announced on 22 March 2012, so 19 months ago. I think most people would regard that as ample time for both parties to get together and sort something out.

Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by paul7575 at 16:04, 20th October 2013
 
I have a degree of sympathy with Carwyn Jones on the subject. It's not often that a city gets to host the Opening Ceremony of a World Cup of any description, and it will have been in the diary for over a year.

That wouldn't be long enough.  NR plan well over 2 years ahead. 

The politicians ought to realise that there is a nationally managed workforce for this sort of NR stuff, (even if many are subcontractors) but they just aren't available on other 6 week slots because they are already booked up for work of similar importance elsewhere in the country.

Paul

Re: First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises Severn Tunnel rail works timing
Posted by John R at 15:49, 20th October 2013
 
I have a degree of sympathy with Carwyn Jones on the subject. It's not often that a city gets to host the Opening Ceremony of a World Cup of any description, and it will have been in the diary for over a year. And England are playing as well, so more reason to have good services into the Principality on that day.

However, mindful of the fact that much support for Rugby League is based in the north, it's not obvious to me what additional services have been laid on from the north of England either. The only direct trains to and from Brum appear to be the usual Cardiff to Nottingham services  - I expect they may be a little cosier than usual.



Severn Tunnel - improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:24, 20th October 2013
 
From the BBC:

First Minister Carwyn Jones criticises rail works timing


The Severn Tunnel will be closed to trains in and out of south Wales for the Rugby League World Cup and Womex weekend

The first minister has criticised Network Rail over the closure of the Severn Tunnel during two major events in Cardiff.

The tunnel will close for maintenance work on the same weekend as the opening ceremony for the Rugby League World Cup, and the Womex music festival.

Speaking to BBC's Sunday Politics Wales programme, Carwyn Jones said Network Rail had not consulted the Welsh government over the closure.

Network Rail said it was vital work.

But Mr Jones said: "They've got form on this. It's an important point here - when we've got events in Cardiff, why do maintenance work on the Severn Tunnel when those events are taking place? If there were events taking place every single week in the Millennium Centre, the Millennium Stadium or the [Cardiff] City Stadium, you might say 'okay, there are some weekends when that's inevitable' but for some reason they choose weekends when there are big events taking place in Cardiff."

The Severn Tunnel - which runs under the River Severn on the south Wales-London mainline - will be closed for maintenance on the weekend of 26-27 October - the same weekend as the Rugby League World Cup opening ceremony at the Millennium Stadium and Womex world music festival at the Millennium Centre.

Mr Jones believes the closures will cause travel problems, having a negative impact on the world-wide image of Wales. He said a similar closure in 1999 caused problems for fans travelling to and from the Wales v England rugby international at Wembley Stadium in London.

Mr Jones added that he recognised the need for maintenance and regretted that an alternative rail route was not considered when the second Severn bridge was built.

"The big problem is of course that a rail deck wasn't put on the Severn Bridge in 1993 - other countries would have done that - and we wouldn't have these problems with the Severn Tunnel," said the first minister. "Yes it needs maintenance. It's a very wet tunnel [I know] having been through there in a cab of a 125 [train], but let's do it when there's not a big game on in Cardiff."

In a statement Network Rail told Sunday Politics Wales: "There is never a good time to do work on the Severn Tunnel and we thoroughly investigated the Welsh government's request. In this instance, this six-week works package was planned two years in advance and had already been put back a week to accommodate the one-day cricket match between England and Australia in September. This vital project cannot be put back any further and to cancel it would have a negative impact on services from south Wales to London."

Network Rail added it had assured the organisers of the 2015 Rugby Union World Cup that it would not schedule any disruptive work during the period the tournament was on at the Millennium Stadium.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by Ollie at 19:35, 9th August 2012
 
Via the method already pointed out on the 1st page of this topic.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 19:13, 9th August 2012
 
As it was a FGW train, how would ATW recieve the information  ?

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by Ollie at 18:34, 9th August 2012
 
Whosr responsibility would it have been to have shewn the cancellation on the CIS screens ?  The 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth was the only train that caused problems by people being stranded unnecessarily.

Arriva Trains Wales are responsible for updating them.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 17:49, 9th August 2012
 
Whosr responsibility would it have been to have shewn the cancellation on the CIS screens ?  The 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth was the only train that caused problems by people being stranded unnecessarily.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by insider at 02:27, 9th August 2012
 
TRUST.   The CIS showed the train running in Time but it didn't turn up.

TOC's dont cancel trains in TRUST that is the train running controllers who work for Network Rail!!!

And as already stated CIS feed not run off TRUST anyway!

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by Louis94 at 21:15, 8th August 2012
 
TRUST.   The CIS showed the train running in Time but it didn't turn up.

Arriva Trains Wales CIS system does not operate using Trust for that type of information.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 20:17, 8th August 2012
 
TRUST.   The CIS showed the train running in Time but it didn't turn up.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by ellendune at 19:56, 8th August 2012
 
But FGW failed to update the system.

What system?

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 19:18, 8th August 2012
 
But FGW failed to update the system.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by matt473 at 15:15, 8th August 2012
 
This problem seems quite common when there is disruption between Cardiff and Bristol.
As a regular passenger on that route, I know that if my train from Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff is delayed then it is often better for me to get a local service to Bristol Parkway and then a HST from there to Cardiff (and the same in reverse). Most people don't realise that. I will say that at least twice there have been announcements at Bristol Temple Meads advising people to do exactly that. I have never hard any announcements at Cardiff for the reverse.

Funnily enough the other day whilst I was travelling through Cardiff with a Portsmouth service cancelled for whatever reason, the TM on the hst shouted all passangers for Portsmouth to board the service to parkway to change for Temple Meads for connection repeating the information on board the service. No announcements from the ATW staff despite hearing the TM advising passangers of this. Though I can't say I'm surprised as ATW seem to have little knowledge of their own services in many stations let alone others although I have a feeling its not the fault of station staff who more often than not genuinely seem like they do not know suggesting an information problem for them too.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by WelshBluebird at 14:40, 8th August 2012
 
This problem seems quite common when there is disruption between Cardiff and Bristol.
As a regular passenger on that route, I know that if my train from Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff is delayed then it is often better for me to get a local service to Bristol Parkway and then a HST from there to Cardiff (and the same in reverse). Most people don't realise that. I will say that at least twice there have been announcements at Bristol Temple Meads advising people to do exactly that. I have never hard any announcements at Cardiff for the reverse.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by insider at 01:27, 8th August 2012
 
Passengers intending to catch the 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr could have caught the 13 25 departure (ex Swansea) to Paddington to Bristol Parkway for forward connections to Bristol Temple Meads and beyond if theyhad been aware and FGW had done something about it.   In the past, I have known the xx25 departures from Cardiff to be held until XX30 to convey any xx30 pasdsengers especially if it has turned round at Cardiff.   The more I think about it, the more disgusted I am eith FGWs response to the failure and their Customer Service.

The Information WAS sent to ATW who manage Newport as soon as FGW made a decision, if there staff take the attitude( much like yourself) that it is FGW's problem then they are in breach of the station access agreement. ATW are paid to provide customer service and despatch on FGW's behalf. You should complain to ATW (but they will say they didnt know > which is rubbish as they did because the message was sent to them at 12:06 ) 2 previous messages were also sent with basic info on the disruption, and lets not forget that the Netowrk Rail control for the area is in Cardiff Control where the ATW control team are as well!!!!!

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by JayMac at 20:18, 7th August 2012
 
Do FGW have much staff at Newport Cardiff

No customer facing staff at either. Suspect only a train crew mess room at Cardiff.

The fault for lack of information in this case appears to me to lie with ATW.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by ellendune at 20:05, 7th August 2012
 
In my opinion  it is a bit unfair to blame the whole affair on FGW when some fault lies with ATW since Newport station is managed by them and the staff are employee's of ATW.

It could be the case that no information was given to the ATW staff by FGW

See below (my underlining):

This message was sent to FGW Website, Journeycheck, National Rail and ATW at 12:06. If operators dont action / check then incorrect info is displayed/given on the ground

UPDATED  3  CORE MSG (CSL2 ACTIVATED)-RED: A broken down train Newport South Wales - Bris...  06/08/12 12:06  
 Owing to a broken down train between Newport South Wales and Bristol Parkway some lines are affected.

Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

Customer Advice:
Due to the failed freight train at the English side of Severn Tunnel the following alterations will take place :-
Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour services will not run between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads.
Cardiff Central to Taunton services will not run between Cardiff Central and Filton Abbey Wood but will divert to Bristol Parkway upon departure from Filton Abbey Wood to start/terminate.
Paddington to Cardiff Central & Swansea HST services will run throughout in both directions.
Limited road transport will operate where possible.


Do FGW have much staff at Newport Cardiff

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 19:46, 7th August 2012
 
The trains involved were FGW services so it was their responsible to manage these and their passengers whoever manages the stations.   The ATW stations would not have been fully aware as to what was going on.    This sounds perhaps like passing the buck.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by anthony215 at 19:38, 7th August 2012
 
In my opinion  it is a bit unfair to blame the whole affair on FGW when some fault lies with ATW since Newport station is managed by them and the staff are employee's of ATW.

It could be the case that no information was given to the ATW staff by FGW

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by ellendune at 19:17, 7th August 2012
 
Passengers intending to catch the 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr could have caught the 13 25 departure (ex Swansea) to Paddington to Bristol Parkway for forward connections to Bristol Temple Meads and beyond if theyhad been aware and FGW had done something about it.   In the past, I have known the xx25 departures from Cardiff to be held until XX30 to convey any xx30 pasdsengers especially if it has turned round at Cardiff.   The more I think about it, the more disgusted I am eith FGWs response to the failure and their Customer Service.

You blame FGW, but aren't Cardiff and Newport Stations both managed by ATW?  Who is responsible to advise customers - FGW or ATW?

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by phile at 18:32, 7th August 2012
 
Passengers intending to catch the 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr could have caught the 13 25 departure (ex Swansea) to Paddington to Bristol Parkway for forward connections to Bristol Temple Meads and beyond if theyhad been aware and FGW had done something about it.   In the past, I have known the xx25 departures from Cardiff to be held until XX30 to convey any xx30 pasdsengers especially if it has turned round at Cardiff.   The more I think about it, the more disgusted I am eith FGWs response to the failure and their Customer Service.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by Andrew1939 from West Oxon at 09:43, 7th August 2012
 
The situation decribed by Phile is so typical when things go wrong throughout the FGW area and, I suspect, not confined to FGW ops. It gets much worse if you are waiting at an unstaffed station in such circumstances as we see so often on the Cotswold Line where reliabilty and punctuality has gone steadily downhill in recent months. Those announcements pointed out by Insider just do not seem to get through to the travelling public.

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by insider at 00:40, 7th August 2012
 
This message was sent to FGW Website, Journeycheck, National Rail and ATW at 12:06. If operators dont action / check then incorrect info is displayed/given on the ground

UPDATED  3  CORE MSG (CSL2 ACTIVATED)-RED: A broken down train Newport South Wales - Bris...  06/08/12 12:06   
 Owing to a broken down train between Newport South Wales and Bristol Parkway some lines are affected.

Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed.

Customer Advice:
Due to the failed freight train at the English side of Severn Tunnel the following alterations will take place :-
Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour services will not run between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads.
Cardiff Central to Taunton services will not run between Cardiff Central and Filton Abbey Wood but will divert to Bristol Parkway upon departure from Filton Abbey Wood to start/terminate.
Paddington to Cardiff Central & Swansea HST services will run throughout in both directions.
Limited road transport will operate where possible.

 

Re: Failure Severn Tunnel 06/08/12
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:38, 6th August 2012
 
Hmm. That's a rather sorry situation you've reported there, phile, and I understand your obvious frustration.

The BBC's version of events:

Broken down freight train removed from Severn Tunnel

A freight train has been removed after it broke down in the Severn Tunnel, affecting passenger services between south Wales, Bristol and London.

Network Rail said the stranded train was taken away by freight firm DB Schenker at 13:25 BST on Monday.

A total of 26 passenger services were affected by the delay.

The Severn Tunnel rail link joins south Wales and England, and about 200 trains pass through it every day.

Network Rail said all the delayed trains had now travelled through the Severn Tunnel apart from one service which faced a short delay after joining the earlier backlog.

The freight train had broken down around a quarter of a mile from the "portal" of the Severn Tunnel on the English side.

All services between south Wales, Bristol, Taunton and London Paddington were affected.

Severn Tunnel - improvements, events, incidents and history - merged posts
Posted by phile at 19:31, 6th August 2012
 

A freight train failed in the Severn Tunnel around lunch time today resulting numerous delays and cancellations.   Whay I am really posting about is the usual thing, lack of or incorrect information.   I was intending to travel from Cardiff to Bristol TM on 13 30 Cardiff to Portsmouth Hbr but I smelt a rat there was something wrong when the 13 00 Cardiff to Exeter turned round in Platform and the announcement of a Down London cancelled.   I decided to travel to Newport by ATW in view of the possibility of the 13 30 running late and turning round at Newport because if it was there would have probably been nothing announced.   
At Newport the 13 30 ex Cardiff was still showing "On time" and was also announced as the next train on Platform 4.    There were also announcements re Down trains ex London and Bristol direction being cancelled.
Several minutes after the 13 30 was due to leave it just disappeared from the screen.    I asked the Info point (ATW managed station)   what had happened and after a few minutes a "voice" announced that it was cancelled.   Passengers were given no advice what to do.  The staff knew nothing about it until people started querying when it didn't turn up. The 14 00 Cardiff to Taunton was eventually shown on the CIS as Cancelled, after 14 00.    A "voice" then announced that buses would leave the front of the station at 14 15 to Bristol Parkway ONLY.   No announcement as to what passengers should use it leaving waiting people in complete limbo.
In spite of all the campaigns and publicity and promises the lack of information still is still as bad as ever in the event of disruptions.
What I would like to know is why the cancellation of the 13 30 and 1400 were not input to TRUST as soon as it was known that the inward workings were not running through to Cardiff.   CIS screens are only effective when things are operating normally, but due to their inflexibility as a result of the programme they can turn out what can be a "load of rubbish" in the case of disruption and not reflecting what is actually happened..   That is when a "human voice" should take over.
Passengers could have perhaps made alternative arrangements if the obvious information had been input to the system.  In an ideal world, people would be told what to do as soon as possible in the event of a cancellation not leaving them to have to run around like headless chickens tring to obtain info but in a fragmented railway this is what happens..    What happened to the old "WARNPASS" Blackboard Notice from BR Days ?   Surely info could be input as text on screens.

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by paul7575 at 17:41, 16th February 2012
 
The sort of 'carriage' normally known as an open freight wagon, I presume?

Paul

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by LiskeardRich at 17:34, 16th February 2012
 
I preume that "slightly overloaded" means "slightly out of gauge"?
they havent mentioned it. reports say cctv showed it falling off an overloaded carriage, wouldnt want to be the person responsible for checking the load/ loading of that train

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 09:53, 16th February 2012
 
I preume that "slightly overloaded" means "slightly out of gauge"?

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by JayMac at 00:08, 16th February 2012
 
Thanks again d_m! 

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by devon_metro at 00:07, 16th February 2012
 
Cardiff Tidal Terminal Complex, according to http://deaves47.users.btopenworld.com/CRS/CRSc.htm

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by JayMac at 22:56, 15th February 2012
 
Thanks, d_m, and just for completeness, what is Cardiff TC? 

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by devon_metro at 22:51, 15th February 2012
 
6V81 is scrap metal to Cardiff TC I believe.

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by JayMac at 22:29, 15th February 2012
 
Seems that 6V81 which passed through the Tunnel on tuesday morning had a slightly overloaded wagon towards the rear of the train.

Pray tell, what was 6V81 carrying? And who, officially, has concluded that one of the wagons was 'slightly overloaded'?

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by devon_metro at 22:21, 15th February 2012
 
How does one go about placing a large metal sheet in a rail tunnel?

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by anthony215 at 22:15, 15th February 2012
 
Well look like the culprit for loosing the metal sheet has been found:

Seems that 6V81 which passed through the Tunnel on tuesday morning had a slightly overloaded wagon towards the rear of the train.

Re: Problems in Severn Tunnel earlier today
Posted by anthony215 at 19:14, 15th February 2012
 
Seems the unit on:  2C71, 10:00 CDF-TAU also struck an object in the tunnel and suffered some damage but managed to limp to the loop at Piling

 
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