| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by ChrisB at 11:59, 2nd January 2026 |     |
Indeed, me too - and it's one ticket 'type' yet to be offered within other ticket apps/planners that have split ticket functionality.
| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by grahame at 11:32, 2nd January 2026 | |
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.
Significantly! As is station footfall sadly! Whilst my local community (can't call it a village any more) of Pinhoe has grown significantly with development over the recent past, the station is a popular split for long distance tickets. The increase in station usage shown in various statistics cannot be just folk genuinely starting and ending their journeys there.
It is - always - worth a quick thought on splitting when analysing figures - and indeed over / under runs too. Historically, a lot of people bought "Melksham Specials" with no intent of travelling to, from or through Melksham and I know a host of examples where it's better to buy a longer distance ticket.
| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by grahame at 11:25, 2nd January 2026 | |
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.
Several years ago, and ORR estimates for individual stations had added an adjustment to account for split ticketing. And the station by station flow data (ODM) adds up to the numbers in the ORR estimated and thus it follows that the adjustment applies there too.
Split ticketing is where a passenger completes a single journey using two or more
tickets. Total entries and exits at some individual stations will be significantly over
estimated due to some passengers not boarding or alighting at the split point and
instead staying on the train.
From April 2022 to March 2023 year we have introduced an adjustment to account
for split ticketing in the LENNON data. Rail Delivery Group have developed an
algorithm to detect split tickets, and we have incorporated this into our data
processing. Therefore, in the latest year (April 2022 to March 2023) we only count an
entry and exit at the start of the journey and end of the journey, whereas previously
an entry and exit would have been recorded at each split point along the way.
tickets. Total entries and exits at some individual stations will be significantly over
estimated due to some passengers not boarding or alighting at the split point and
instead staying on the train.
From April 2022 to March 2023 year we have introduced an adjustment to account
for split ticketing in the LENNON data. Rail Delivery Group have developed an
algorithm to detect split tickets, and we have incorporated this into our data
processing. Therefore, in the latest year (April 2022 to March 2023) we only count an
entry and exit at the start of the journey and end of the journey, whereas previously
an entry and exit would have been recorded at each split point along the way.
Also of note
Ranger/Rover infills (“Other”) – Rover and Ranger products, e.g. Ride Cornwall,
Cambrian Coaster, Anglia Plus, are tickets with non-geographic destinations so
estimates are developed to represent passenger flows on a selected number of
these tickets;
Cambrian Coaster, Anglia Plus, are tickets with non-geographic destinations so
estimates are developed to represent passenger flows on a selected number of
these tickets;
and for Devoners
The ‘Digby and Sowton’ adjustment (“D&S”) – relates to journeys associated
with a season ticket product for students which are being made to Exeter
Central and Exeter St. David’s on tickets with a recorded destination of Digby
and Sowton. Adjustment uses data provided by Great Western Railway;
with a season ticket product for students which are being made to Exeter
Central and Exeter St. David’s on tickets with a recorded destination of Digby
and Sowton. Adjustment uses data provided by Great Western Railway;
And there are some more - some interesting clues in some cases into innovative ticketing.
| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by PhilWakely at 11:19, 2nd January 2026 | |
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.
Significantly! As is station footfall sadly! Whilst my local community (can't call it a village any more) of Pinhoe has grown significantly with development over the recent past, the station is a popular split for long distance tickets. The increase in station usage shown in various statistics cannot be just folk genuinely starting and ending their journeys there.
| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by Noggin at 09:48, 2nd January 2026 | |
I wonder to what extent point-to-point journey figures are distorted by split save? Certainly it feels like it's a long time since I did a journey on XC which wasn't split.
| Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by Electric train at 09:33, 2nd January 2026 | |
From another thread, a site that displays point to point passenger numbers.
The figures for Worcester Shrub Hill to Oxford are wild - a bit of a rollercoaster. But there will probably be other curious examples elsewhere.
https://trainslive.uk/odm/journey.php?origin=WOS&destination=OXF
Mark
The figures for Worcester Shrub Hill to Oxford are wild - a bit of a rollercoaster. But there will probably be other curious examples elsewhere.
https://trainslive.uk/odm/journey.php?origin=WOS&destination=OXF
Mark
It does not surprise that its been a rollercoaster of the last 3 or 4 years, the pandemic certainly accelerated things like "working from home" and "cashless society" I suspect it will take 3 or 4 more years, maybe longer for the actual trends to "normalise". In a decade or so time the recovery patterns and trends will be a lot clear to understand
| Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic Posted by Mark A at 22:19, 1st January 2026 | |
From another thread, a site that displays point to point passenger numbers.
The figures for Worcester Shrub Hill to Oxford are wild - a bit of a rollercoaster. But there will probably be other curious examples elsewhere.
https://trainslive.uk/odm/journey.php?origin=WOS&destination=OXF
Mark
