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Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376032/32138/26]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:57, 16th June 2026
 
The first thing I would do is run a comprehensive analysis of the ticketing data to establish how much of the loading of each service is split between shorter (e.g. Plymouth > Totnes or Newton Abbot) and longer (e.g. South West > Birmingham) journeys.
On the basis of the results I would then make sectors with a preponderance of longer journeys reservation only, preferably aided by a new 'smart' reservation app which, once the origin station has been specified, only displays selected destinations so that the 'swamping' of services by short distance travellers is significantly reduced.

Where such restrictions were implemented I would amend the timetable(s), if necessary, to ensure that an appropriate 'local' service was available to short distance passengers.

The aforementioned ticketing data could also be used to determine, on a 'train-by-train' basis, the number of carriages required for each service; present experience quite clearly shows that 4 or 5 coach trains frequently don't cut the mustard.

The new LNER timetable might show a different way forward; using their Azumas there are now only four 10-car trains each weekday with a corresponding increase in a half-hourly 5-car train service.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376031/28982/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:51, 16th June 2026
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YO9ZzSpZA

First 175 into Paignton.

I did not use hyperlink. May work now.

Still nope.

Owner must have changed permissions as this now works for me

Re: West Coast Railways and ‘Hogwarts Express’ trains - ongoing discussion
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376030/24067/47]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:27, 16th June 2026
 
Derailed on Sunday, I think?

From Chris Dale on X

Jacobite has derailed. "Banavie north signaller reports the driver of West Coast Railways 5Y69 from 2Y68 engine was completing a move where the engine is rounded, the leading tender axle has derailed over 3B points ground frame."

Lasted 7 hours before being manually rerailed.

Re: Update from Bedwyn - May 2026
In "London to Kennet Valley" [376029/32109/8]
Posted by hoover50 at 08:07, 16th June 2026
 
where the business case really comes much more to life is with a service extension of the faster of the two trains an hour to Hungerford, Kintbury, Bedwyn, Pewsey, (new) Devizes Gateway and Westbury.  Whether that (perhaps alternate trains?) carries on beyond, or feeds into the existing 2-hourly semifast, is open for discussion.  

As things currently stand, some of the fastest trains that run between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa) only call at Newbury / Reading giving a journey time of just under one hour. Many passengers from Pewsey are concerned that these fast trains will no longer call at Pewsey if Devizes Gateway is built and/or Bedwyn trains are extended to Westbury which would result in longer journey times between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa)

The other potential risk of extending the Bedwyn trains to Westbury (calling at Pewsey and Devizes Parkway) is that they could end up becoming Westbury to Newbury shuttles with 165's so Pewsey would lose it's direct IET trains to Reading and Paddington.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376028/32138/26]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 07:48, 16th June 2026
 
I’ve used cross country a few times in the last month.
Each time I’ve had a refurbished train. I think the refurbished trains are pleasant enough.
The train managers have been very friendly.
No issue finding a seat.

But, and a big but, on each occasion it’s been a Sunday. They’ve terminated at Plymouth instead of continuing on to Penzance

Q1T - The Tank Engine That Never Was
In "Railway History and related topics" [376027/32139/55]
Posted by grahame at 07:42, 16th June 2026
 
An article by Nick Feast.

A fellow member of Bournemouth Model Engineers had started to build a Q1 to my design several years ago.  However the project was offered to me, and although I had already completed 2 locomotives as detailed in the Model Engineer series in 2009, I thought I could make use of a third one!
                                                   
I had an idea in the back of my mind that I had seen a drawing of a proposed 0-6-4 tank engine in print somewhere but couldn't find it, so went ahead with my own interpretation of what a Q1 tank might have looked like.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376026/32138/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:10, 16th June 2026
 
I think it probably depends which part of their network you use. I find the service that covers Reading to Bournemouth is generally acceptable. One improvement could be if the looked at the number of cruise ships/passengers scheduled at Southampton. It is published a year in advance I believe, putting a 4-car train on when there five cruise ships scheduled is a likely recipe for disgruntlement.

The cruise ship issue is a significant and awkward one. AI result from Google:

The top 10 biggest cities and urban areas in the UK by built-up area (BUA) and metropolitan population are:
London: ~10.4 million
Birmingham: ~2.6 million
Manchester: ~2.5 million
Liverpool: ~1.2 million
Leeds: ~1.06 million
Glasgow: ~970,000
Newcastle upon Tyne: ~760,000
Nottingham: ~649,000
Bristol: ~615,000
Sheffield: ~549,000

and it's notable that 8 out of 10 of those by train from Southampton are naturally Cross Country journeys.

Lisa and I have been cruisers from Southampton for a number of years, and taking with other guests on the ships we have chosen I believe there's a bias (when population density considered) towards passengers on them from the north and the Scottish lowlands. 

At Southampton Central Station, there are distinct crowds of people arriving / departing by rail and that's in spite of the cruise companies offering coach transfer and parking deals, and in spite of it needing taxis to and from the station.  We use bus -> Bath from outside our home. Across the road (normally) in Bath for the direct train to Southampton, and coming from Bristol that can be pretty busy too.  There's a strong South Wales cruising contingent too, on the same train.

If the cruise companies / industry were to promote rail far more than they do, they could make for a real change - but not sure that XC would cope, nor that they would want the very peaky loads that could be generated.

Under GBR, there is a case for their being a nationwide TOC pool of go-anywhere longer distance trains to meet major peaks such as cruise high days, Cheltenham Gold Cup, Glastonbury, FA Cup final, bog snorkelling at Llanwrtwd, Great North Run, etc.   ... geography might suggest that Reading work be a logical base.

Re: A local return journey confirms the direction of local MTUG campaigning
In "Introductions and chat" [376025/32135/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:47, 16th June 2026
 
I have shared this log on my local social media account - lots of "likes" there.  A couple of comments / discussions that I'm going to quote here as they help fill in the story by answering points that weren't addressed even in the very full text:

How long did it take you to write that? And isn't there a perfectly good bus service?

It took - far - too long to write up. Or it would have been far too long were it not also a reference study and reminder for elements we need to take into account for the future. It's a one-off log - not something to be repeated on every train or bus journey.

On the buses - yes, they are rather good these days. They are a different product with a different though overlapping market. And (as in other comments made), buses and trains should be working together far better than they do. As an isolated daytime journey from Melksham to Chippenham on my own, I would likely have used the bus. But 3 of the top 5 destinations from Melksham by train (Swindon, London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads) are naturally rail not bus journeys, and they are key places people go from and to in part of the economy of our area.

Is there any particular reason that the 271/272/273 do not stop at the station? It seems a logical step as they pass outside

There are two options both ruled out in past requests:

1. Turning in and out of the station would add time / delay to the services to the extent that it would irritate through passengers and add the need for an extra vehicle and driver on the route(s) to continue them, reliably, at their current frequency

2. There is nowhere safe on the current road layout for Bath bound buses to stop safely at the top of Station Approach (or to be more accurate, the buses could stop safely but the passengers getting off would be left on a dangerous verge with no crossing). Melksham bound buses COULD stop easily where there are 2 lanes just before the lights.

Reasons given to me by the experts. I have not personally verified them, but they look right.

Stopping the 271/2/3 near the station would also highlight the randomness of connections or non-connections offered by the timetables, and give rise to a fresh set of change requests which would upset the current opertional applecart. Best approach is a second town bus vehicle - we are still "owed" it back after its "temporary" covid withdrawal due to lack of drivers. It has been gone so long that a fresh timetable that DOES serve the station, and connect with trains, would be plausible.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376023/28982/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:35, 15th June 2026
 
Try this one. I did put public.https://youtu.be/tEtpOlcXywA

That link worked for me: thanks! 

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376020/28982/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:10, 15th June 2026
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YO9ZzSpZA

First 175 into Paignton.

I did not use hyperlink. May work now.

Still nope.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376019/32138/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:09, 15th June 2026
 
10 car 800 series trains, as most of cross country is under the wires anyway, capacity, toilets in one go...

That'd be the end of Coventry - Bournemouth then. And University - South West.

No, longer trains, more limited stop, I reckon. Run the 221s as doubles & get 8xx stock for one side of the 'X' or the other as a step-change replacement. But the local stops need service spec in place of the removed stops.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376013/32138/26]
Posted by CyclingSid at 17:37, 15th June 2026
 
I think it probably depends which part of their network you use. I find the service that covers Reading to Bournemouth is generally acceptable. One improvement could be if the looked at the number of cruise ships/passengers scheduled at Southampton. It is published a year in advance I believe, putting a 4-car train on when there five cruise ships scheduled is a likely recipe for disgruntlement.

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376012/32138/26]
Posted by MVR S&T at 17:24, 15th June 2026
 
10 car 800 series trains, as most of cross country is under the wires anyway, capacity, toilets in one go...

Re: Update from Bedwyn - May 2026
In "London to Kennet Valley" [376011/32109/8]
Posted by grahame at 16:34, 15th June 2026
 
where the business case really comes much more to life is with a service extension of the faster of the two trains an hour to Hungerford, Kintbury, Bedwyn, Pewsey, (new) Devizes Gateway and Westbury.  Whether that (perhaps alternate trains?) carries on beyond, or feeds into the existing 2-hourly semifast, is open for discussion.  

As things currently stand, some of the fastest trains that run between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa) only call at Newbury / Reading giving a journey time of just under one hour. Many passengers from Pewsey are concerned that these fast trains will no longer call at Pewsey if Devizes Gateway is built and/or Bedwyn trains are extended to Westbury which would result in longer journey times between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa)


Currently 11 trains per day, Pewsey to Paddington. Here are the morning timings.
06:15 - 07:36 (Makes 8 intermediate stops)
06:40 - 08:01 (Makes 8 intermediate stops)
07:18 - 08:35 (Makes 4 intermediate stops)
08:15 - 09:21 (Makes 4 intermediate stops)
09:27 - 10:29 (Makes 2 intermediate stops)
11:04 - 12:06 (Makes 2 intermediate stops)
13:08 - 14:17 (Makes 3 intermediate stops)

I would envisage an update clockface semifast service to make 5 intermediate stops (Bedwyn, Kintbury, Hungerford, Newbury and Reading) and take perhaps 70 minutes - the 08:15 pattern with 1 extra stop. The 07:18 has slack in its timings - it is scheduled to sit at Reading for 9 minutes,.  This morning it left Pewsey 7 minutes late but was on time on departure from Reading.

I would agree that if all the trains also called at stations such as Thatcham, Theale, Reading West and Maidenhead (all are calls in at least one of the above) then the running time would rise to 80 minutes. But then the current early "8 stop" trins can be characterised as Kennet Valley commuter semifasts extended out.   You see similar in the evening peak, where the 18:08 from Paddington also calls at Twyford (personal experience it disgorges a high proportion of passenger there) and is scheduled to take 76 minutes - calls at Theale and Thtacham too in addition to London - Reading - Newbury and all stations onwards.

In the days of slam door HSTs, the outbound evening services that made lots of stops felt like an eternity. Perhaps memories have not faded and there is a fear of a return to similar timings?   In 2015, the 18:07 (as it was) took 90 minutes from Paddington to Pewsey; there is no suggestion as far as I know of a return to those timings.

How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376010/32138/26]
Posted by lbraine at 16:10, 15th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I have had the misfortune of having to use/rely on CrossCountry trains 5 times in the last month.

I managed to secure my pre-booked seat on just one of those trains.
Every single train was late departing - from as little as 15 minutes to 50 minutes.
Every single train was ‘full and standing’ - actually overflowing with people standing in the toilets on one mid-morning Reading to Birmingham New Street service (we actually bailed at Birmingham International as we worked out out TfW connection commenced there - and we just wanted off the Class 221 tubular hell hole.

Given passenger levels the need from some kind of non-London routing to get around the country is definitely needed and desired. But - given recent experiences (and previous) I wonder how GBR should look at revisit the whole cross country design.

Better trains (and longer) trains - 4 or 5 car 221s just don’t seem to cut it ?
Faster trains, better acceleration )- less station stops, moving to a major centre to centre service ?
Consider an alternative hub than Birmingham New Street (trains just seem routinely to sit for 5 mins outside waiting for a platform - and a discussion on Wolverhampton station with a staff member indicated the development of the West Midlands Metro is only going to make things worse) ?
Mandate pre-booking only - no turn up and go tickets for sale (radical I know) ?

What ideas have YOU had to solve the Cross Country issue(s)?

I fully admit that my experience has been limited to the south and west routes of CC - is it equally as bad elsewhere on their network ?


Re: Update from Bedwyn - May 2026
In "London to Kennet Valley" [376009/32109/8]
Posted by hoover50 at 15:45, 15th June 2026
 
where the business case really comes much more to life is with a service extension of the faster of the two trains an hour to Hungerford, Kintbury, Bedwyn, Pewsey, (new) Devizes Gateway and Westbury.  Whether that (perhaps alternate trains?) carries on beyond, or feeds into the existing 2-hourly semifast, is open for discussion.  

As things currently stand, some of the fastest trains that run between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa) only call at Newbury / Reading giving a journey time of just under one hour. Many passengers from Pewsey are concerned that these fast trains will no longer call at Pewsey if Devizes Gateway is built and/or Bedwyn trains are extended to Westbury which would result in longer journey times between Pewsey and Paddington (and vice versa)

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [376008/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:39, 15th June 2026
Already liked by JohnM
 
Blimey what was it? An albatross?

Delays to services between Newbury and Bedwyn

Following a broken down train earlier today at Kintbury all lines towards Taunton have now reopened. Disruption is expected until 16:15 15/06.

Train services between Newbury and Bedwyn are returning to normal.
Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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A train had broken down near Kintbury, after striking a bird.

Re: Okehampton
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [376007/18334/24]
Posted by Noggin at 14:25, 15th June 2026
 
Some good photos taken outside the perimeter fencing of Okehampton Interchange have been posted today on the Railways of Devon and Cornwall facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/384010423010289

Looks very similar to Ashley Down, albeit without the brickwork extending all the way up the lift shaft and the railings coloured rather than galvanised.

Re: Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [376006/32124/50]
Posted by Noggin at 14:20, 15th June 2026
 
I reckon the stated aspiration could only be achieved by the reintroduction of school/pupil catchment areas.

And I can think of a number of reasons why any government wouldn't be 'courageous' enough to do it.

At my children's former primary school, the majority of the children being dropped off/collected in a car had parents who were taxi drivers, or a divorced parent who was living some distance away.

My daughter is taken to secondary school in a lift share by a parent driving past to work at a location which is not accessible by public transport.

Some parents are driving anyway, but that won't be reflected in the stats.   

Re: Electric Trains - Manchester to Sheffield, retired to the Netherlands
In "Railway History and related topics" [376005/32133/55]
Posted by Mark A at 13:48, 15th June 2026
 
I don't have a source for the following obscure 'Possible fact' - I recall reading somewhere, something about an overbridge way down south on the GCR route to Wales/the South West/London: it may have been the one on the following link - and there's no opportunity to check on the ground as its deck will have gone for scrap.

If, in 1971, as teenagers, we hadn't reneged on an ambition to leave the skiff by the site of the (span lifted) bridge taking the GCR across the Grand Junction Canal to walk south to Catesby Tunnel and hopefully back, it would have been the first bridge that we would have passed beneath and we could have checked the following factoid first-hand.

https://www.railwayarchive.org.uk/record?rnum=L2330&os=1

... by the mid 1950s that bridge's steel deck needed replacing - and the replacement included Woodhead-style supports for the overhead electrification that would surely be making its way south.

Mark

Near miss as train passes workers in tunnel at Bookham, 29 April 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376004/32137/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:30, 15th June 2026
 
From the BBC:

Near miss as train passes workers in tunnel

A track worker stood against a tunnel wall as a train passed at more than 30mph in what investigators described as a "near miss".

Two other workers moved into alcoves in the tunnel wall as the train passed them in Bookham Tunnel, near Bookham station in Surrey, in April last year.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) found a line had been blocked to trains, but the workers were in a different location, and neither they nor the signaller realised.

Investigators made three recommendations to Network Rail after finding failings. Network Rail said safety was always its priority and it was reviewing recommendations.

Chief inspector of rail accidents Andrew Hall said: "Bookham Tunnel is one of a number of near misses that serve as a warning." He said theory and "bitter experience" showed "a pattern of near misses will eventually end in tragedy".

The track workers had been walking through Bookham Tunnel at 11:42 BST on 29 April last year, when the passenger train passed at 33mph (53km/h).

A report on Monday said the distance between the tunnel wall and the nearest running rail where the workers were walking was about 1.6m (5.2ft), but the available space between the tunnel wall and the passing train was between 1m and 1.15m.

Rules state that for line speeds below 100mph, a position of safety should be at least 1.25m from the nearest running rail.

Investigators said a "safe work pack" detailing safety arrangements incorrectly contained line blockage arrangements for nearby Mickleham Tunnel rather than where the team was working. They said the error was introduced at the planning stage and went unnoticed, despite checks.

The RAIB highlighted the lack of a specific process for managing the transfer of information between systems and found steps were not routinely carried out or not carried out effectively.

Hall said investigators also identified learning points for workers, adding it showed "how safety is now heavily dependent on every worker having an accurate understanding" of line blockages and safe working.

Chris Cornish, regional health, safety and environment director for Network Rail, said the organisation fully supported the RAIB and recognised the findings. He said: "While no one was injured, this was a serious near miss and we are committed to learning the lessons to reduce the risk of this happening again. We are also continuing our national work to improve track worker safety, including through a programme focused on clearer planning and the use of technology to better protect colleagues working on the railway."


 
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